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Biotech / Medical : The Fraud of Biological Psychiatry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (63)	8/9/2000 6:01:26 PM
From: Cisco	Respond to of 444

I agree! I have seen individuals with bipolar disorders go crazy when they forget their medicine! By the same token many people who take these drugs would be much better served seeing a good psychologist! Unfortunately, they are hard to find.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (63)	8/9/2000 8:22:55 PM
From: Don Pueblo	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 444

No, that's not my point at all. Not at all. I am not questioning the fact that psychotropic drugs alter a person's behavior. That's a known empirical fact. I am not questioning that psychotropic drugs can sometimes ease a person's mental anguish and allow them to better participate in life. That's also a known empirical fact. I've gone over this before, but here it is again, in short form: There was a point in my life, some time back, when I found myself outside my own body. It was during surgery. When I 'woke up' I asked the doctor about it. I told him what he said and what he did during the operation (since I watched the whole thing from above the operating table). The doctor was not surprised. He told me that he had had similar reports from other patients, and that he was aware that other doctors had had similar experiences. That was it for him, but that was just the beginning for me. I spent the next ten years trying to understand what it was that had really happened that day. The salient points (at least for me) turned out to be that I was outside my body, and that I remembered it ...and that the information was empirically validated by the doctor that was there...an 'expert witness' as it were. The conclusion that I came to (and this was my conclusion, not necessarily anyone else's conclusion) was that I was not a piece of meat. That I was not a physical body, but something quite separate in many ways, that the simple explanation was that I was inhabiting a body...and just as important: my memory, my mind, was with me and not my body. After that, things started falling into place for me. Things that didn't make sense before made more sense. My memory got better. I don't mean to sit here and throw this discussion into some kind of a "supernatural" free-for-all. I'm not even a fan of that word, because it suggests that what happened to me was 'beyond science'. To me, it's not mystical at all, but I don't make that call for anyone else. Here's my point, James: the assertion is that schizophrenia is caused by brain malfunction. This presupposes that there is something that actually exists called schizophrenia. I won't argue about that. My argument is with the cause-and-effect concept of all of this. If I have some sort of mental illness, then the mental illness is in my mind, correct? If I am sitting about 6 feet above an operating table watching a doctor work on my body, and I remember it after I am back in my body, the logical conclusion is that my memory stays with me and is not in my brain. So for me, the argument that a chemical imbalance in my brain is causing this mental illness of mine just does not wash. It does not make sense. What makes more sense to me is that somebody who doesn't believe what happened to me (who believes that I was hallucinating; that I am to that degree insane) believes that I am a piece of meat, and if they pump a drug into me, it "cures" an "illness" that they have never ever been able to diagnose biologically. It seems to me that the chemical imbalance is the symptom of something, and not the cause. That's all I'm saying. These doctors are wrong, and they are the tools of the drug companies. I'm not saying that a brain disorder cannot be helped by a drug. I'm saying that the assertion that mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain is psychotic. Do I have all the answers to this? Heck no!! If I did, I think I would be back on Flamfoozy in a cushy chair, instead of on this spacecraft with my nutball cousin.