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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jbe who wrote (85163)	8/9/2000 6:51:59 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think were less in loop than you fear. My views about commonly used (scientifically inaccurate) racial terminology are mostly about prevailing race views by the masses. Heck, we even had educated people here using the terms. Remember, I don't acknowledge race. What you call ethnicity, and I call "place of origin" are probably describing exactly the same phenomena but I chose a larger granularity to simplify it. When is a group an ethnicity or just a sub-culture? Most of us don't have the time or interest to weed that one out for the 200 or more ethnicities that you could dissect regions into. Each one gets a state? What about the Gypsies? Or, the Travellers? Bedouins? Carnies? Come on... that could get way too complicated. Sorry about the "we". That was vague. I mean a "typical high-school educated working-class" American. His/her view of race. I don't know if you've ever worked with the "common man". I have. Most have pretty provincial ideas about who's who. These people control the polls. These people elect government. They are the vessels that hold the collective racial "understanding". Americans weren't too relaxed about Asians 40-50 years ago. Manzinar? The Manchurian candidate? (Note: I believe popular drama is a valid data point for prevailing sentiments). In Orange County, CA the locals weren't too relaxed by the influx of Vietnamese boat people in the early 80's. But I'd argue that those perceptions we inherited from the French colonials. The US did have imperialistic interests in China and the Philippines historically, late 19th century and well into the early 20th. And those do color our perception. Look what's happening at DOE and Lawrence Berkeley with their security problem. We can't forgive China for going Red rather than remaining in orbit around us. And dammit, it's China's fault. Don't ask what the FBI and NSA were doing to prevent security leaks at national labs. Sorry, but they got the imperialist legacy too! And, of course, "we" and "us" is the same as the "we" above. Not me, people, on average, in the US. I think Russians' fear of dark complexion is possibly rooted in the fear generated by the "Cossacks" whom they have now generalized into a pervasive fear of any pigmented person. Again, a 19th century fear, IMO.