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Technology Stocks : Cisco Systems, Inc. (CSCO) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: JDN who wrote (39464)8/13/2000 9:39:38 AM
From: bambs  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
I think in the case of csco's customers, there will be a trick up effect. I think that the growth rate will slow for csco as companies slow there Internet related projects do to the high costs, extreme competition and poor profit margins. I think that the current change in interest rates are not a that big a factor in the long run. I think the biggest factor leading to a change in business spending habits will be the end of this bull market. Companies everywhere have been padding earnings with mark to market gains from investments. Companies 30-50% in companies like DELL, INTC, CSCO, IBM etc. I think when the gains from investments disappear from the balance sheet it will be noticed. If those gains from investments turn into losses from investments the net income will be crushed for most high tech firms. I think this market is a house of cards. These companies all investing in each other and relying on their stocks to go up to increase earnings. It will spin down and have a over powering effect on the market and the publics bullish attitude. Now, getting to the public...I think the public has been partying hard during this bull market. 0% average real savings rate. Record debt levels, corporate, government, and personal. I think that there is a big chunk of the population that owns all sorts of index funds, growth funds, tech funds and "core holdings" like csco. I think that they are counting on above average performance in these funds and stocks for their retirement. I saw a study one of the online stock companies that said the average investor expected a year over year gain of nearly 22% in the market over the next decade. The investors with 10-15 years experience expected 18%. I think this expectation has caused the explosion in the economy of the past years. Dot.com and high tech millionaires running around spending like crazy and the public following suit. I think that the market will float down for a couple of years before it done. Then it will be dead money for a few years more. It will be a stock pickers market. Value in big caps will be bought, growth only in small caps with profit. As people wake up and start to realize that they are not rich, that retiring comfortably will be difficult, they will change there spending habits. As consumers change their spending habits it will start a spin down cycle in the economy and the market. Some retailers first and tech will be hit first. Then thier will be now where to hide. Dow and S&P will be cooked on the back of GE. GE stock price should be peaking now. I think it's due to start a trend down. 1 or 2 quarters left. GE makes up almost 7% of the dow.

At any rate, as great a company as csco is, (I truly believe it is a great company) it stock will suffer over the next few years. I think that as the bull market ends it will kill the bull economy and the unwinding of this bubble will take a couple of years to sort out. CSCO will have slower growth and shrinking profit margins and I feel the public will want to see the P/E come into line. I think that the long term actual earnings growth rate for CSCO for the next 5 years. I think that in a bear market with a slowing economy the P/E should be 1.5 times the long term growth rate. That's 45. I know that GE is around 50 and all kinds of crap stocks have P/E's of 4000...so what...I think the argument that everything else is over priced so csco is cheap is wearing out. I think that GE should be pretty much cut in half but the public loves it. I would bet that GE will have a tough time having earnings growth averaging near 20% for the next five years...I bet it will end up around 10%. PE of 30 for GE.

You can tell me that the sector is going to grow at this rate or that rate...I say hogwash! I think you can't chart the growth rate of the last five years and continue the chart in a straight line say look at the size of this market. That's like the fool that comes on CNBC and talks about Dow 30000. There has been a rush to put down fiber, buy routers, etc, etc...the companies that have been doing the buying find poor profit margins or losses they will slow down their expansion. Their stocks will suffer...look at WCOM, AT&T etc. Long distance rates are getting so cheap soon they will be giving me a free computer if I make a 20 minute call. The times they are a changing.

Bambs



To: JDN who wrote (39464)8/13/2000 11:33:14 AM
From: Eski  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
Dear JDN,

Even if the Tech's are far more immune from the interest rate hikes as you would like to think. If we get bad numbers next year from some Big Caps there will be an negative bleed over effect from them to the others no matter what. That's just the way it works, right or wrong.
I guess time will time how it pans out.