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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (584)	8/15/2000 8:47:06 AM
From: StockDung	Respond to of 12465

"Why not to offer the investors swindled by those crook some assistance in their efforts to recover the money lost and put the crims behing bars for good?" By: vklepa $$$ Reply To: 25023 by Peter_Moriarty $$$ Tuesday, 15 Aug 2000 at 5:57 AM EDT Post # of 25026 It is hard not to get scared into selling at $3 level, after the CEO sold millions of his shares at 50 cents per share. Tell me, why didn't Ziasun retire those shares then? What business sense does it make to buy them now, on the open market, for 7 times more? Or tell me something else: Why isn't Ziasun investing its money in the share market? Why not to do just that and demonstrate the quality of OIA in the process? Wouldn't it be better than hardselling OIA's courses? What about turning Ziasun into a real quality company, which attracts investors in a normal way, without touts and liars, what about Ziasun disassociating itself from the questionable auditors and IR firm? What about the Amber connection? Wouldn't it pay to demonstrate to the market that Ziasun doesn't need boiler rooms to sell its stock to the foreign investors? Why not to offer the investors swindled by those crook some assistance in their efforts to recover the money lost and put the crims behing bars for good? Do you have any answers? Or are we waiting for the Z8's to do what a decent company would want to do itself? Hey, one more question: Why not to reinstate Truthseeker? (Voluntary Disclosure: Position- No Position; ST Rating- Strong Sell; LT Rating- Strong Sell) ragingbull.altavista.com

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (584)	8/15/2000 8:49:43 AM
From: StockDung	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 12465

BTW, VKLEPA signed a afidavit against me so Ziasun could get the restraining order against me. (First one of its kind). VKLEPA shortly after found out what the Ziasun 8 were saying was the truth. "Why not to offer the investors swindled by those crook some assistance in their efforts to recover the money lost and put the crims behing bars for good?" By: vklepa $$$ Reply To: 25023 by Peter_Moriarty $$$ Tuesday, 15 Aug 2000 at 5:57 AM EDT Post # of 25026 It is hard not to get scared into selling at $3 level, after the CEO sold millions of his shares at 50 cents per share. Tell me, why didn't Ziasun retire those shares then? What business sense does it make to buy them now, on the open market, for 7 times more? Or tell me something else: Why isn't Ziasun investing its money in the share market? Why not to do just that and demonstrate the quality of OIA in the process? Wouldn't it be better than hardselling OIA's courses? What about turning Ziasun into a real quality company, which attracts investors in a normal way, without touts and liars, what about Ziasun disassociating itself from the questionable auditors and IR firm? What about the Amber connection? Wouldn't it pay to demonstrate to the market that Ziasun doesn't need boiler rooms to sell its stock to the foreign investors? Why not to offer the investors swindled by those crook some assistance in their efforts to recover the money lost and put the crims behing bars for good? Do you have any answers? Or are we waiting for the Z8's to do what a decent company would want to do itself? Hey, one more question: Why not to reinstate Truthseeker? (Voluntary Disclosure: Position- No Position; ST Rating- Strong Sell; LT Rating- Strong Sell)

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (584)	8/15/2000 9:09:54 PM
From: StockDung	Respond to of 12465

The UKNOWN COMIC FUND DIRECTOR BRYANT CRAGUN of morganfund.com . Although they mention Larry Katz of West America Securities the site only mentions the background of the other fund director. Bryant Cragun did his MBA in 1972. Worked for Goldman Sachs and then also Salomon Smith Barney. The exact wording on the web site is "....handled by professional managers with extensive experience in major institutions (Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Smith Barney).. ". So why does Bryant Cragun wear a bag over his head like the unknown comic and not disclose his name as one of the funds directors? Plain and simple he is a fraud and is being sued for being a fraud by one of the Ziasun 8. The same boiler rooms are pushing this offshore fund.http://www.capitalg.com and ambereurope.com The latest news is that investors that have been already taken to the cleaners in DDD, LCAI, DYNX, BEVX, ZSUN, and TMOT can turn over their shares for units in the fund. ‹^›‹(ô,ô)›‹^› The same web sites that Anthony Tobin is so famous for Spirit of co-operation rules in Web business SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST scmp.com Monday January 25 2000 Spirit of co-operation rules in Web business At first glance, there was nothing unusual about the Capital Growth Report when it arrived in Backspace's snail-mail box. Of equal parts financial jargon and hype, the report - which charges US$78 for a year's subscription to what appeared to be four badly laid-out pages per month - seemed a typical tech-stock newsletter. What made Backspace choke on his morning coffee was the pick of the month: an obscure public Internet company called ZiaSun Technologies. ZiaSun was known as Momentum Internet when it was based in Hong Kong. Three years ago, a magazine called The Dataphile revealed that Momentum was behind a stable of porn Web sites and phone chat lines that promised Bangkok Babes and China Dolls. Thousands of spam messages advertising these services were sent from Momentum's free e-mail service. While not admitting the spamming, Momentum and now ZiaSun president Anthony Tobin told Technology Post last year that the company no longer ran sex-related businesses. Instead, ZiaSun has latched on to other Web trends. It has an Asian search engine, a stock-trading portal, a financial news service, an advertising network and an auction site called AsiaForSale. It moved to San Diego in 1998 when it began trading over the counter in the US, while keeping most Web operations in Asia, mainly in Hong Kong and Manila. While the company claims to be profitable on modest revenues - $9 million in the second quarter last year - it has been criticised by day traders and investors in the US, who have tried to puncture those claims. Mr Tobin had ZiaSun respond by suing several day-trading and investment sites for alleged defamation. While ZiaSun likes to hype its Web sites - 45 press releases last year - it doesn't appear to be making much money. Most of ZiaSun's revenues came from two off-line subsidiaries, a Philippine-based printing business called Momentum Asia and a US learn-how-to-day-trade seminar which charges $3,995 a head, according to Mr Tobin. So Backspace was puzzled why the editor of Capital Growth Report would hold such an optimistic view of ZiaSun's prospects. 'The company has a dominant position in the exploding Asian Internet market . . . We expect that ZiaSun stock will soon be valued with that of profitable peers such as CMGI, now trading in the [US]$80 range.' A visit to Capital Growth's site (www.capitalg.com) shows it is designed and maintained by Momentum Internet and that Capital Growth offers ZiaSun's Swiftrade stock-trading service to subscribers. Isn't co-operation and alliance-building among Web companies heartening? ============================================= "Castpro (at $8!), then morgan fund, then cash" ragingbull.altavista.com. I was offered Castpro by PPI earlier this year when I tried to get my shares back. First it was restricted shares, then Castpro (at $8!), then morgan fund, then cash. I checked the web and couldn't get a quote for Castpro; worse Ziasun was one of their clients. And PPI was trying to help me out of the mess that Oxford had got me into!! And Michelle Cutting has appeared as the name on the bottom of Castpro press releases. Utah again. Hmmm. You may remember Michelle's name from the bottom of the last few ZSUN PR's as well. ragingbull.altavista.com. Regardging Castpro When I was still a client of Amber/Capital Group last year, they offered me this IPO, resticted S stock offered at 4 @ share (pre-split) for one year: Castpro. www.castro.com I asked my "advisor" on which exchange it is going to be trading as well as for financials after they have sent my some info on the company. The answer was Nasdaq, but I doubted it and when I asked more specificlly I wa told "sort of". Then I though oh boy, another otc bb again, something to be very wary of. Regardless to say, I did not accept the offer. What a laugh to have seen - some research - earlier this year that the stock was 1) not an IPO but a reverge merger via a shll company and 2) it startedtraing (pre-split) not even on the otc bb, but on the electronic pink sheets (NQB) as it is now called. The firm only later filed its financial report. On question the CEO only said they had a small loss; a very young and inexperienced guy in my humble opinion. Zsunshine, this new possible CG scam might be researched even further. I have already informed a WSJ journalist of this too, but what do I know. ========================================= Registrant:Morgan Management Company Ltd (THEMORGANFUND-DOM) 30 Decastro Street Road Town, Tortola 00000 VG Domain Name: THEMORGANFUND.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Domain Registrations (DR560-ORG) domreg@MOMENTUMPLUS.COM Momentum Internet Inc PO Box 71, Craigmuir Chambers Road Town, Tortola 00000 VG +852 - 28778059 Fax- - ï=¬ïÿíhï=q Record last updated on 01-Sep-1999. Record expires on 27-Jul-2001. Record created on 27-Jul-1999. Database last updated on 7-Jul-2000 16:34:07 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: EXODUS.MOMENTUMPLUS.COM 209.164.39.195 LEVITICUS.MOMENTUMPLUS.COM 209.164.39.197 NS2.MOMENTUM.COM.HK 210.176.85.38 Registrant: West America Securities Corporation (MORGANFUND2-DOM) 4510 E. Thousand Oaks Blvd Westlake Village, CA 90210 US Domain Name: MORGANFUND.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Domain Registrations (DR560-ORG) domreg@MOMENTUMPLUS.COM Momentum Internet Inc PO Box 71, Craigmuir Chambers Road Town, Tortola 00000 VG +852 - 28778059 Fax- - ï=¬ïÿíhï=q Record last updated on 01-Sep-1999. Record expires on 11-Jul-2001. Record created on 11-Jul-1999. Database last updated on 14-Aug-2000 22:18:40 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: EXODUS.MOMENTUMPLUS.COM 209.164.39.195 LEVITICUS.MOMENTUMPLUS.COM 209.164.39.197 NS2.MOMENTUM.COM.HK 210.176.85.38 messages.yahoo.com. Bowgull - it is still going on by: helltown_2000 7/1/00 11:44 pm Msg: 4723 of 4723 Yes, most of the investors who have had problems with CQMT/DDD are overseas. Does that mean it should not be discussed? No, and the problems are still going on. I got DDD 3Q last year but could not get certs. BC has not gone away. The latest trick is an offer to exchange stocks that have dropped in price for units in a BVI fund. One of the fund directors is BC. Would you like a copy of the prospectus? I agree that DDD appears to have potential, but they should take some (if not all?) of the responsibility for the overseas investors who have been/are still being screwed (no certs, can't sell etc). Who gave the b.s brokers the shares in the first place?

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (584)	8/15/2000 11:09:39 PM
From: StockDung	Respond to of 12465

More on Asia4Sales CEO James Emberton and the COVERUP. Why he is the administrative contact for the boiler room and has a james@AMBEREUROPE.COM email address? Guess he forgot to put this on his resume. Registrant: CHABOCHI, S.L. (CGEUROPE-DOM) Rambla de Catalunya, 124 2 3 Barcelona, Spain E-08008 ES Domain Name: CGEUROPE.COM Administrative Contact: Emberton, James (JE7343) james@AMBEREUROPE.COM" Registrant: Amber Securities Corporation SE (AMBEREUROPE-DOM) Av Diagonal 615 8 Planta Barcelona, Spain E-08028 ES Domain Name: AMBEREUROPE.COM Administrative Contact: Francisco, Calzada Camacho (CCF23) damian@PCSC.ES Amber Securities Corporation SE Av Diagonal 615 8 Planta Barcelona, Spain E-08028 ES +34 3 4449900 (FAX) +34 3 4108242 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Lario, Xavier (XL10) xlario@PROXY.INTERCOM.ES Intercom STA, S.A. C/ Sant Francesc 4 Cerdanyola del Valles, ES 08290 ES 34-3-5802846 (FAX) 34-3-5805660 Billing Contact: Jou, Sandra (SJ1303) sjou@PLUG.INTERCOM.ES Intercom STA, S.A. C/ St. Francesc, 4 2n Barcelona, ES 08290 ES 34 3 5802846 (FAX) 34 3 5805660 Record last updated on 18-Jun-1998. Record expires on 18-Jun-2000. Record created on 18-Jun-1998. Database last updated on 15-May-2000 14:34:14 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: LIX.INTERCOM.ES 212.66.160.2 TAC.INTERCOM.ES 212.66.160.8 the above record was copies on SI. Since I have posted it it was changed. I wonder why? Registrant:CHABOCHI, S.L. (CGEUROPE-DOM) Rambla de Catalunya, 124 2 3 Barcelona, Spain E-08008 ES Domain Name: CGEUROPE.COM Administrative Contact: McNamara, Jason (JE7343) jasonm@CGEUROPE.COM CHABOCHI, S.L. Rambla de Catalunya, 124 2 3 Rambla de Catalunya, 124 2 3 Barcelona Spain E-08008 ES +34 3 4449900 (FAX) +34 3 5805660 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Lario, Xavier (XL10) xlario@PROXY.INTERCOM.ES Intercom STA, S.L. C/ Sant Francesc 4,2 Cerdanyola del Valles ES 08290 ES 34-93-5815000 (FAX) 34-93-5805660 Billing Contact: Garcia Mor, Sergio (SG8639) sergi@GRUPO.INTERCOM.ES Intercom STA SA Sant Francesc, 4, 2 Cerdanyola del Valles, BArcelona E-08290 Spain ES +34 3 5802846 (FAX) +34 3 5805660 Record last updated on 19-Jul-1999. Record expires on 19-Jul-2001. Record created on 19-Jul-1999. Database last updated on 14-Aug-2000 22:18:47 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: LIX.INTERCOM.ES 212.66.160.2 TAC.INTERCOM.ES 212.66.160.8 THE BIG LIE!! "MAI now has over $4 million in net assets, annual revenues of $3 Million and earnings of over $1 Million. " ASIA4SALE ANNOUNCES NEW BOARD, MANAGEMENT TEAM Mon Feb 28 18:30:00 EST 2000 Feb 28, 2000 (AsiaPulse via COMTEX) -- (Full text of a statement. Contact details below.) HONG KONG, Feb 29 HK PRNewswire-AsiaNet - Asia4Sale.com Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: AFSI.OB) announced today its board of directors and management team, appointed by shareholder consent on February 10, 2000. Brian Hodgson, President and Director Mr. Hodgson has 15 years experience in advertising sales, and has worked for Forbes (Chinese edition) and Travel News Asia in Hong Kong, News Ltd. in Sydney, and The Guardian in London. In 1997 Mr. Hodgson founded Pacific Barter, an Asian Barter Company, which was acquired by ZiaSun Technologies in March 1999, and is now BarterAsia, a part of Asia4Sale. Mr Hodgson holds a Diploma in Marketing from the Institute of Marketing (UK) and a Business Studies (Marketing) qualification from Northumbria University (UK). James Emberton, Chief Financial Officer and Director Mr. Emberton was the Financial Planning Officer for the Canadian National Railway system, responsible for developing and monitoring an operating budget of $160 million annually, evaluating and forecasting weekly, monthly and annual performance, and identifying budget variances in preparation for the successful privatization of the system. He subsequently served as Financial Planning officer for SR Telecom, Inc. (SRX.TO), managing accounting systems in Beijing, Shanghai, Bangkok, and Manila and designing and documenting all accounting and financial reporting procedures. Mr. Emberton holds an Economics degree from York University. Gregory Hunter, Vice President for Operations and Director Mr. Hunter has extensive business experience in Japan and in the rest of Asia, and is fluent in Japanese. He has served as a supervisor in the International Business Training Group of Sharp Corporation's Human Resources Development Center in Nara, Japan. He worked for Morgan Stanley Japan, and was Vice President, General Manager of a Manila-based telecommunications firm. Mr. Hunter holds a Master's degree in International Management from Thunderbird - The American Graduate School of International Management, and a degree in Business Administration from Arizona State University. Adrian Wiest, Vice President for Auction Operations Mr. Wiest has spent the last 5 years as Territory Manager for the Asian hub of the world's largest industrial auction firm, and before that was Equipment Superintendent for a construction firm with operations throughout Asia. He is intimately acquainted with both buy-side and sell-side industrial equipment markets throughout Asia, and with the industrial auction process. Eric Montandon, Director Mr. Montandon is founder, President and CEO of Momentum Asia Inc. (MAI). Founded in 1994, MAI now has over $4 million in net assets, annual revenues of $3 Million and earnings of over $1 Million. He arranged for the sale of MAI to ZiaSun Technologies Inc. (ZSUN.OB) in 1998. Mr. Montandon is on the board of Asia4Sale Inc. as a representative of ZiaSun, which holds a substantial equity stake in Asia4Sale.com, Inc., and because of his extensive Asian business experience. He holds a degree in Business Finance from Arizona State University. Asia4Sale.com Ltd. is a multilevel e-commerce venture with retail shopping, affiliate marketing, application service, auction, and barter components, aimed at exploiting the strong regional and worldwide demand for Asian goods and services. Any statements released by Asia4Sale.com Inc. that are forward-looking are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation reform Act of 1995. Readers are cautioned that forward-looking statements involve risk and uncertainties that may affect the company's business prospects and performances. These include economic, competitive, governmental, technological and other factors. This document is not a solicitation to purchase securities. Consult your investment advisor before investing in any company. For more information contact infoasia4sale.com or call 852-2915-2155. SOURCE: ZiaSun Technologies