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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (85561)	8/16/2000 1:34:16 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

The problem with your mantra is that all this feel good stuff is very convenient - IMO service without action forgiveness without penitence energy that can't be measured light that can't be seen How exactly does one "nullify" any energy. Is this some energy that is not measured in joules? Being created at some rate not expressed in watts. If one is going to give old words new definitions, then you just end up with non-sense. Subcultures do this intentionally, giving old words new meanings (frequently the opposite of the old meaning), which brings those words and ideas down. That jazz club was cool. Should I bring my sweater? The bassist is hot. Why is still wearing that coat? The music is bad. Should I not go? The lead singer is def. Does he sign? Sorry, but energy has a definition. So does service. And forgiveness. If you want to believe that the internet carries some energy, we can discuss the number of joules in an idea. I don't think you can calculate it but I'd be willing to discuss it. If you want to discuss how you forgive someone who is actively torturing you, I'd be willing to hear it, but it is going to be transcendent and highly personal argument, not universally digestible by most empathetic creatures. And if you want to explain how service arises from personal gratification, I'd be willing to believe that it is possible, but that it is probably not altruistic. Or pure. Or steadfast. As soon as the gratification ends, so does the service. Black-holes are gravitational singularities. They don't "suck", they are distortions of time-space cause by local accumulations of matter. They aren't "bad". The acceleration into a black-hole is as "natural" and "normal" as anything we know in this universe. Perhaps using "quagmire" or "bottomless pit" would be better metaphors. At least most of us know how these relate to our lives. By wrapping all these ideas in psuedo-scientific jargon there is an obvious attempt to legitimize some pretty speculative and highly suspect notions. The reason to do this is to obfuscate, not to enlighten. The proponent can't be called on the carpet for saying stupid things when old words are given highly unusual definitions. Sure your ideas might be true, and I might be a god. My thoughts might control the universe, but in any experiment one wishes to design, they can't do it very well. Maybe not at all. So, here we are, we believe we can make a difference so we try. Most of us are doing that already. Why the hell do we need namby-pamby pseudo intellectual input? And so much of it? And does it have to be so repetitive? If what you seek to accomplish here is create a union of minds, you must first establish a connection between us. Sure, there is some connection as evidenced by this note. But it is not transferring thought effectively. I wonder why someone would spend so much time at an activity that seems to generate so little provable outcome. I know, you'll say "forget about Me!" Sorry, but they way these ideas are being expressed, YOU manage to make that impossible. Is this just incompetence? If so, send someone else over to make the point. Maybe THEY can do a better job. But if it's just your opinion, say so. Own it. Take responsibility for your ideas and then demonstrate how others can know they are true.

To: Frederick Smart who wrote (85561)	8/16/2000 8:06:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Kids must drive you absolutely crazy! I spend huge amounts of time with kids. My life pretty much revolves around kids. They have never come close to driving me crazy. I confess that adults who deliberately reduce their thought process to an endless loop of platitude do occasionally get on my nerves. It seems that you think your recitations childlike, and that you think this a positive attribute. Nothing could be further from the truth. Children relate everything to the reality they experience; they have little use for abstraction. For you everything is abstract. You've heard this before, but I say it again: until you cite actual real-world circumstances, describing how you would react to those circumstances and how your beliefs influence your actions, your entire philosophy is nothing more than an overblown repetition of popular mantras. You obviously define your basic terms in ways rather radically different from the definitions accepted by everyone else. This contradicts the basic purpose of language and makes communication difficult. So that we unenlightened ones may better understand you, perhaps you would present us with exact definitions of what you mean when you say "energy", "light", "black hole", etc., ad nauseam.