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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (16909)	8/19/2000 7:29:24 AM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

It's clear from the above article that the McVeigh story is a showcase instance of angry-white-Joe-Schmo blowing his last fuse.... I mean, there you have an all-American boy who's basically spent all his life in his native boonies, who's been brainwashed with the idiot-box all the while, who's been a dutiful churchgoer, who really believed that Uncle Sam was that great sugar-daddy-turned-Santa-Claus who'd never send his "beloved boys" on a sleazy mission.... who suddenly finds himself thrown down in the spotlight! Face-to-face with those ugly, barbaric coons who molested, raped, and ransacked the brave Kuwaiti --good heavens! However, as days, weeks, and months pass, GI Tim's worldview evolves, changes and, somehow, gets subversively altered by his first-hand experience in the field.... Officer Timothy McVeigh might have come back alive from the Gulf War, yet, his ideological loyalty's been killed. His "third-kind" encounter with Middle-East aliens irremediably shattered him. He felt betrayed by the politicos, by the mainstream media's phoney reports, by his fellow countrymen's cretinous political awareness, and even by the reverend's bugaboo preaching.... ``I went over there hyped up, just like everyone else.... What I experienced, though, was an entirely different ballgame." An entirely different ballgame indeed! Henceforth, McVeigh realized that everything he's been told back in his cloud-cuckoo land was actually a whole'nother ballgame. Eventually, the anticlimax was too much for McVeigh to stick it. The rest is history.... Gus. ------------------ you have fallen for the official line like everybody else... I still think that guy is no terrorist murderer. I had written down a whole bunch of incosistencies but here are a few off the top of my head: -they still can't account for a leg found in the blast ruins. Whose leg was it? Did it belong to the suicide bomber? -they first spoterd two Middle Eastern looking men near the blast site. They conveniently disappeared after they found the perfect angry former marine in jail due to traffic violation. -think about it, you just committed the greatest terrorist bombing on US soil and you drive with no license plates. I still think McVeigh is an idiot but how can anyone be such an idiot? -They found some guns in his car, so what this guy used to hang around and make some money off gun shows. As far as the same powder used in the blast, it was probably conveniently planted. -Remember that guy Frouttier? In his first interview he totally denied that McVeigh had anything to do with the bombing...It didn't take long for the Feds to come up with crap against him (something about marijuana I believe) and that guy turned against McVeigh to save his ass. What a convenient change of heart? -They ganged up on Nichol's brother here in Michigan, they kept him in jail for several days without charging him. The guy is just a simple farmer here and they treated him like Bin Laden. -the continous broadcast of his image in chains after his arrest and the continous leaks of how "disilusioned " he was with the US never really stopped (and most people have fallen for it). -And here you are a juror in the trial, having paraded numerous relatives telling of their loved ones, with a handicapped "passionate" prosecutor, how could you had decided "not guilty"? All jurors would be lynched probably after they came out of the courtroom along with all the people here having their sense of safety totally destroyed. But, with guilty, everyone wins (except McVeigh and Nichols, oh well what are two guys compared to the mental health status of the nation and national security). The flimsy evidence presented, IMHO, never proved his guilt beyond reasonable doubt, no way, it was all subjective. The nation wanted to punish the people involved to heal itself. McVeigh was the best choice. In the meantime, the government can whack these right wing lunatics upside the head with greater impunity. Who was behind it? I don't know. It could be Saddam who at the time was getting really pissed off by the continous bombings and "inspections". He had continually complied only to be met with new inspection demands. He warned the State Department to back off him finally and stop the sanctions or we 'll be sorry. And then bang, OK City. No wonder we keep bombing Iraq years later. Or it could be Bin Laden. Needless to say, I don't think McVeigh did such a thing alone, no way.

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (16909)	8/21/2000 8:44:31 PM
From: Andy Thomas	Respond to of 17770

Hi Gus, --As regards loony Tim McVeigh, I think there's no need for a photo finish --as we put it in French, Y a pas photo! The guy is the culprit:-- You're simply wrong on this one. Andy

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (16909)	10/25/2001 1:36:25 AM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 17770

Dang it if this isn't one of the best rants I've heard in a while! <<< .. I mean, there you have an all-American boy who's basically spent all his life in his native boonies, who's been brainwashed with the idiot-box all the while, who's been a dutiful churchgoer, who really believed that Uncle Sam was that great sugar-daddy-turned-Santa-Claus who'd never send his "beloved boys" on a sleazy mission.... who suddenly finds himself thrown down in the spotlight! Face-to-face with those ugly, barbaric coons who molested, raped, and ransacked the brave Kuwaiti --good heavens! However, as days, weeks, and months pass, GI Tim's worldview evolves, changes and, somehow, gets subversively altered by his first-hand experience in the field.... Officer Timothy McVeigh might have come back alive from the Gulf War, yet, his ideological loyalty's been killed. His"third-kind" encounter with Middle-East aliens irremediably shattered him. He felt betrayed by the politicos, by the mainstream media's phoney reports, by his fellow countrymen's cretinous political awareness, and even by the reverend's bugaboo preaching.... ``I went over there hyped up, just like everyone else.... What I experienced, though, was an entirely different ballgame." An entirely different ballgame indeed! Henceforth, McVeigh realized that everything he's been told back in his cloud-cuckoo land was actually a whole'nother ballgame. Eventually, the anticlimax was too much for McVeigh to stick it. The rest is history.... >>> Tom