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To: Scumbria who wrote (5723)	8/19/2000 1:44:14 PM
From: minnow68	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Scumbria, You wrote "AMD seems to have opened up quite a bit of headroom with their massive drops in 1GHz pricing. I wonder if they will do a 60C 1.5GHz processor for $1000, now that Intel has set the bad engineering precedent" I believe even the new 1.1 Ghz Athlon is within spec at 90 degress C. Dropping to 60 C could very well get a significant number of chips running at 1.5 Ghz. Did you notice that early this year Intel dropped the guarantee on most of their processors from 1-3 years to 30 days? You have described Intel as reaching into the bag of tricks to increase processor speed. And I agree with this. One of the side effects of many of the tricks is to reduce processor life. Therefore, Intel reduced guaranteed life of the processor. But is it so bad that Intel needed to only guarantee their product for only 30 days!?!? Well, just look at the 1.13 Ghz Pentium IIIs. Several of them being reviewed reached the end of their lives at rated speed when they were within the first 100 hours of operation. I believe the fastest Pentium III specified to run at 80 degrees C is the 866. Anything faster than that appears to have reached pretty deeply into the bag of tricks, and, IMVHO, is a potentially short life processor. Of course, this is nothing more than taking Intel at their word that Intel processors only work for 30 days<G>. Mike

To: Scumbria who wrote (5723)	8/19/2000 3:08:01 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Meanwhile, this, er, "authoritative source" has the AMD-Intel ghz gap stretching out to 16-1. I got no idea where they pulled that figure out of, but the rest of the conclusion of this piece seems less disputable. Athlon vs Pentium III : Shootout at 1 GHz Part 2 gamepc.com Unfortunately, no matter what I've said in the last five pages, price will make or break a consumer's CPU purchase. Of course, everyone has different measures on how much processing power is worth so much money. I'm going to try and avoid that landmine and just state the facts about the matter. AMD is walloping Intel in terms of pricing and volume, while AMD has had 1 GHz chips out and in systems for quite some time now, only recently are we seeing Intel 1 GHz chips come out on the market. Since there is so little supply of the Intel 1 GHz chips to go around, the pricing for them is quite high. As AMD's Jerry Sanders recently said, "volume is the vaccine", and with AMD out shipping gigahertz processors 16-1 compared to Intel, the volume of the Athlon is surely giving Intel a shot in the arm. As of today, 1 GHz Coppermine's retail for well over $1000, while 1 GHz Thunderbird Athlons are going for around the $500-$600 mark. For the same clock speed, a 40-50% difference in price is simply astonishing. Actually, if you go by the pricewatch low price, it's 56% at the moment, $1097 vs. $482, but what's a few % among friends? Cheers, Dan.