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To: average joe who wrote (85831)8/20/2000 12:51:46 PM
From: cosmicforce  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 108807
 
I don't have any problem with most of your facts but they are irrelevant: you've changed the topic several times. The topic was greenhouse effects and that it wasn't conservative to keep dumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere while there is a major climatic change in progress. You seem to be "siding" with someone - the producer. I don't "blame" them - it's the economics of the system that have to be adjusted. The producers, like me, are in a giant economic system based upon expected benefits and costs. That's about it. They are just in the game. Like me. The game favors my continued consumption right now. That is bad.

There are macroeconomic issues about how the costs have been assigned and accounted for that simply aren't accurately reflected in Joe Average's cost of gasoline. That is true. If oil is subsidized (it is) and other options are not (they aren't), then you never get off the oil jones until a crisis occurs. Everyone knows that market inefficiencies exist and in a complicated system of subsidy and indirect subsidy, you get more (burning of oil) when you have a subsidy.

Just do the math: multiply the current average consumption of a North American resident times the current number of people on the planet (World Bank: 8000 kg/oil/person * 6 Billion people) that's 48 billion metric tons of oil. And both are increasing. This has to stop - the waste heat alone from that would cook the planet, let alone its highly doubtful sustainability.

Since we are the leading consumers, we have the majority responsibility to help find an alternative. Morally. There, finally I actually said "moral". That is our responsibility, IMO. Maybe you think the poor bastard in India cooking his meal on dung-fires should find the alternative. I just don't think that's very fair and he's going to like the alternative of using kerosene...

So, if he starts using as much petroleum as we do, we (all of us) are screwed. That's about it in a nutshell. What do you want to do, keep everything the way it is?



To: average joe who wrote (85831)8/20/2000 1:44:05 PM
From: cosmicforce  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
U.S. Oil companies have historically had a tendency to over produce and keep the price down and not the other way around.

Gee, I thought I said that. Artificially priced low, so they overproduced. That leads to artificially high consumption. Why did they "overproduce"? Because the subsidy allowed them to develop resources that wouldn't have otherwise been developed until later. It tilted the economic balance toward production and consumption.