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To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/20/2000 7:20:07 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Kap, “The chip is going to be less efficient than previous Intel parts,” said Peter Glaskowsky, an analyst at Cahners Microdesign Resources in Sunnyvale, Calif. Still, analysts say Intel will be able to quickly boost the P4’s performance, and Intel touts other benefits of the chip. Translation? Benchmarks suck and we can't produce it yet in the speed required in order to overcome those poor benchmarks. steve

To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/20/2000 7:22:55 PM
From: andreas_wonisch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Kap, great find! So we have the first semi-official P4 "benchmarks" here. And it doesn't look good for P4: Those are all pluses. But Microdesign’s Glaskowsy says that while the chip will run faster than Intel’s Pentium III, it will not run software as efficiently as the PIII. “Pentium III is within 10% or 20% of the performance of Pentium 4,” he said. If we assume he meant a comparison 1.4 Ghz P4 vs. 1.1 Ghz P3 the P4 should be ca. 30% faster if it would be as "efficient" as the P3. But Glaskowsy says it's only 10-20% faster, so let's assume it's 15% faster overall. This would mean a 1.2 Ghz Thunderbird would be roughly as fast as a 1.4 P4! And keep in mind that the P4 has the "fast" Rambus memory vs. a Thunderbird with PC-133 SDRAM (and crappy VIA chipset). With DDR-RAM the Thunderbird would probably win in most benchmarks. If this all holds true Intel has really a problem (and I believe Glaskowsky is a very credible source). BTW, nice quote: “It’s designed for the Internet,” said Doug Carmean, the engineer who led the Pentium 4 chip design. Andreas

To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/20/2000 7:35:07 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Cool, Kap. Sounds like McCormas (and Scumbria) had it pegged. “One exciting application is that users can shoot video and upload it (onto the Web) extremely quickly,” Carmean said. In order to put video onto the Web, it has to be put into what’s called the MPEG (Motion Picture Experts Group) format. The time it takes to do that will be cut drastically with the P4, he says. There are new features for businesses, Carmean says. One is called database access, or data mining. Users will be able to quickly take their data and put it into 3-D charts and graphs, as needed.http://www.investors.com/editorial/tech01.asp?v=8/20 Translation: There's going to be a lot of canned SSE2 demos at IDF. I imagine there's still some hope for semi-glowing specmarks, though, from a new edition of Intel's spec-only compiler. Time will tell, but 60-70% larger die for marginal performance gain doesn't strike fear in the heart. Cheers, Dan.

To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/20/2000 7:43:23 PM
From: Pravin Kamdar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Kap, Thanks for the IDF preview article. Intel spin masters will be out in force. Analysts will believe everything they are fed. Hope AMD can hold up through the hype. Pravin.

To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/20/2000 8:30:30 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Respond to of 275872

Kap, Are you (or anyone else) going to Intel's love fest this week? RE: "“It’s designed for the Internet,” said Doug Carmean, the engineer who led the Pentium 4 chip design." I'm glad Dirk Meyer never had to resort to making any comments like that!

To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/20/2000 10:22:28 PM
From: ptanner	Respond to of 275872

Kap, thanks for the IBD article. Quotes from the IBD Article & Comments: “It’s designed for the Internet,” said Doug Carmean, the engineer who led the Pentium 4 chip design. By this, he means it aims to work well with PCs connected to the Net. It will give Web surfers better graphics and audio performance, among other things, say Intel officials." Intel marketed the P-III with the same story -- and PC Magazine found essentially no difference in real internet performance. The delays are with the pipe (congestion or connection speed) for most users. "And right away, the P4 will excel in multimedia applications, like shooting home movies and sending them over the Web to relatives, analysts say. “It will greatly improve the ability to do classic multimedia applications,” Glaskowsky said." The P4 may greatly accelerate manipulation of video but users will still need to get it from the camera (where is that firewire support for digital video cameras?) and then onto the net (slow pipes) and back from the net (more slow pipes). I believe Apple is a little ahead in providing a start to finish solution on the desktop for home users but the slow pipes remain for most. This is an area I am interested in as a hobby (home digital video) but distribution is my biggest unknown - the first being the time to enjoy in the first place. :-) -PT

To: kapkan4u who wrote (5790)	8/21/2000 12:40:02 AM
From: Dan3	Respond to of 275872

Re:I talked to Peter Glaskowsky at IDF in February and he told me that P4 was going to be an awesome chip. I guess he learned something since then. Wow! Regards, Dan