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To: The Philosopher who wrote (4048)	8/22/2000 12:36:12 PM
From: Jim S	Respond to of 13062

You're right, Christopher. It seems that societies, or our society at least, has a never ending desire to split into the "us-es" and the "thems." "Thems" should be marginalized, criminalized, and/or demonized. The "us-es" either do or don't: -use drugs -belong to a particular religion -subscribe to traditional moral beliefs -have certain racial characteristics -advocate some political viewpoint -have lots of money -dye their hair blond -own guns -use tobacco -drive SUVs -take their kids to soccer -beat their spouses during the Superbowl -lie, cheat, or steal You get the idea. Any of these, individually or collectively, can be used for conflict ranging from crackerbarrel discussions to full scale war. Seems to me that that's the advantage of a Constitution -- gives us all a basic foundation to agree on. The problem, as I see it, is that that foundation is now being chipped away from under us, so there is no longer a point to begin discussions from. You'll note that even the wording of some constitutional phrases are being changed to further confuse the issues -- to wit; "A well regulated militia..." was quoted as "A well organized militia..." Significant difference. If a bunch of people get together for a scratch ball game, and they follow the rules of the game, they can be said to be "regulated." If they become "organized," like a little league or a school football team, that is something completely different. In fact, I would submit that an "organized militia" is an oxymoron. jim

To: The Philosopher who wrote (4048)	8/22/2000 7:05:14 PM
From: budweeder	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 13062

Chris; It may indeed seem stupid to you......it goes to the kind of society that we want for ourselves and our families....On the basis of ..if it doesn't infringe on my rights, anyone should be able to do it.......I doubt very much that many of the SEC laws will ever infringe on my rights......my neighbors, yes, but not mine.....but I don't think you believe either that those laws should not be enforced........or do you??????? how "open" a society do you want?? Even if the probability is that I will not be affected by release of those convicted of drug crimes...should I not care that others may not be so fortunate?? Just trying to see where you want to redraw the lines?? Regards, Bud