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To: Dayuhan who wrote (86104)	8/22/2000 7:27:40 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Respond to of 108807

>Ideology became a negative factor in the Cold War when we insisted on interpreting all the world's affairs through the simplistic lens of left-right conflict< It was pretty breathtaking how our politicians and media framed the Cold War as a time of national crisis - Commies everywhere, threatening the American political and social fabric. I wonder if it was the outgrowth of a sort of institutional displeasure at effectively winning World War 2, but then having the Soviets clean up at the game of gathering satellite nations. Heck, they even snagged Cuba out from RIGHT under our noses. I can just see Kennedy's secretary of state (name?) bitterly complain to the Security Council: "Do-over!"

To: Dayuhan who wrote (86104)	8/23/2000 5:05:54 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Would the Sandanistas have had the mass support without funding from the Cubans? I doubt that.... As I said, I do not wish to get into the China argument in any detail, since I am not up to speed, but I will say something. Owen Lattimore was the one who pushed the idea that Mao and company were primarily "agrarian reformers", at a time when anyone should have known they were committed Leninists. He was not exactly on top of things, at least. You are quite wrong. Hitler would have been willing to have made a peace with Britain that would have left it intact, and allowed it to retain its colonies, as long as it recognized the hegemony of Germany in Europe. Additionally, the United States could easily have stood aside, allowed Hitler to have exhausted himself in the European war, and than gone to pick up the pieces afterward, allowing more time for a build up. No, Britain held out because the Nazis were deemed evil, and because of commitments that had been made to Poland and Belgium and France, and the United States jumped in as soon as opinion could be swayed in that direction to save a recalcitrant Britain. As Michael M said, considering that we won the Cold War, I guess we didn't do so badly.