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To: Tony Viola who wrote (108034)8/22/2000 8:07:32 PM
From: pgerassi  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Dear Tony:

This is already occuring. Many screwdriver shops will sell it to you preconfigured. The prices I quoted are from Pricewatch and as such include profits for the sellers of each item. Do not fall into the trap that if, IBM (or any other OEM) does not sell it, it can not be any good. There is a higher cost in initial training and setup, but the downstream benefits and savings are very high. Expansion is quite simple, all new systems run the same software (it can be simply copied over the network) and can utilize the latest CPU speeds and capacities. Reconfiguring is the simple running of a few public domain utilities. Linux and all of the other software can be supported from the internet. Uptimes are in the many 9s levels.

Pete



To: Tony Viola who wrote (108034)8/22/2000 8:24:25 PM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Tony, <You're going to put 72 PCs together to make a server?>

To quote an article I just linked to earlier today:

zdnet.com

The results provide continuing evidence to IT that scaling up an enterprise's database back-end by using shared-nothing clustering techniques on commodity hardware may provide better performance at much lower costs than buying larger symmetric multi-processing servers. The key constraint is that an organization's data set and queries must be suited for partitioning between servers.

In other words, large numbers of cheap boxes will provide better performance and price/performance than small numbers of expensive boxes. In this case, the "cheap box" is the 4-way Xeon, and the "expensive box" is something like a Sun Enterprise 6500 server.

I think Pete is just extending that argument. If you can get better performance out of large numbers of SMP Xeons, why not go even further and use even larger numbers of uniprocessor systems like Athlon? Hey, if someone can actually pull off something like Pete is suggesting, then more power to them.

I believe, however, that 4-way SMP boxes currently represent the sweet spot in server clusters. Going further would only increase clustering overhead and will probably create a big drop-off in performance and scalability.

By the way, IBM actually used 8-way Xeon servers (i.e. Profusion) in their record-setting TPC-C benchmark. For some reason (probably lack of scalability), they chose to populate only half of the processor slots in each server.

Tenchusatsu