To: pawa who wrote (6305 ) 8/24/2000 4:34:11 PM From: Joe NYC Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 275872 Pawa, Re: CPU cuulers There was a problem with the Goldn Orb coolers. I suspect that the problem was that the bottom was as big as the Thunderbid / Athlon package. It needs to be in order for the CPU cooler to rest on the 4 rubber legs, and be perfectly alligned with the die. Otherwise, as you fasten the cooler, if the cooler doesn't rest on the legs, you may chip the die. THe place I had my Tbirds of order initially sold them with Golden Orb. When AMD removed Golden orb from their approved list, the company held up the order, called me if I wanted a different cooler. They offered some no name part, which was actually cheaper. I said yes. The cooler turned out to be ok. It is about 6,250 RPM according to MBM (freeware CPU health monitoring utility: members.brabant.chello.nl I am not sure if it's that fast. It doesn't sound too noisy, but it is in a rack mount case, so I can't hear it anyway. The heatsink is aluminium and seems to work ok. The CPU (1 GHz Tbird), when Idle (under w2k) runs at 32C to 35C, with case at 25. At full load, (CPU burn utility - MMX seems to heat it up the most) it went up to 59C. I tried to overclock the CPU. I didn't override the default multiplier, I just played with the FSB. Both went up to 1,150 MHz, 1.2 GHz didn't work. I bought the Athlon CPUs (plus some other things) from: tcwo.com I do recommend this company. They are very responsive, they handled the situation with faulty Golden Orb recall very well, they are fairly cheap as well, and because there were some delays associated with the Golden Orb, they offered to send me my order overnight at no extra cost. Joe