To: Lucretius who wrote (13342 ) 8/23/2000 7:04:15 PM From: pater tenebrarum Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 436258 LOL! care about durable goods? since when? buy whatever moves, that's all they care about. i thought you knew... brokers correcting a bit today...probably means nothing. the red back spider: The normal sequence of events after a bite is as follows. A sharp pin-pricking pain is almost invariable. Usually the bite site becomes hot, erythema and oedema develop rapidly. Localized sweating often occurs. The swelling is generally limited to an area of several cm in radius from the bite site; occasionally it is extreme. Approximately five minutes after the bite, intense local pain commences and increases in severity and distribution. In most cases, pain is the predominant symptom; the patient is sometimes distraught and even hysterical because of its intensity. Movement of the affected limb often significantly increases the pain. About thirty minutes after the bite, pain and swelling are often experienced in the regional lymph nodes. If abdominal pain occurs, it is worse when the lower extremities or genitals were bitten, probably due to lymph node involvement. Sometimes severe pain develops in parts remote from the bite site, for example, in an opposite limb or the opposite side of the trunk. Uncommon, even bizarre, signs and symptoms developed in some cases. There were tetanic spasms, tingling in the teeth, swelling of the tongue, bite site infection, convulsions, excessive thirst, severe diarrhoea, anaphylactic reaction to the venom, blotchy rash on face, haemoptysis, dyspnoea, dysuria, severe trismus, persistent anorexia, periorbital oedema and/or conjunctivas. Patchy areas of what was described as `bizarre sweating' were not uncommon. after being bitten, remain calm, etc....-g-