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To: pezz who wrote (59)	8/24/2000 9:21:22 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

Far from it, Senate & Congress are forcing him to spend the money AS DESIGNATED. I know, it is a bit late, but better late than never. btw, did you know that among the land bought by US(Clinton land grabs) was a ranch in Northern NM bought from a friend at around 30X the cost many thought it was worth?

To: pezz who wrote (59)	8/24/2000 10:00:00 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

Not all the fires were polite enough to stay on public lands! You greenies want to burn your homes - fine. You want to allow the wild lands to burn - maybe, but our homes, farms, ranches & cities & then top it off & bust our chops for air polution - just a little far isn't it? Clinton Forest Policies Under Fire UPI Thursday, Aug. 17, 2000 WASHINGTON – The Clinton administration has cut fire-fighting budgets, failed to establish an effective fire-fighting program and is pursuing land management policies in national forests that could hamstring state efforts to reduce the risk of forest fires in land near homes and cities, Western state officials and Capitol Hill critics said Wednesday. The forest fires ravaging the West are likely to become the largest ever recorded in U.S. history, according to the U.S. Forest Service. The blazes have re-ignited debate among federal and state land managers, timber companies and environmentalists over how to best manage national forests and spend vital federal tax dollars. The massive forest fires across 12 Western states will likely soon engulf more than a half-million acres and surpass the size and scope of record fires from 1910. Montana and Idaho are among the states hit hardest by the fires, where nearly 50 are burning. (cont) newsmax.com

To: pezz who wrote (59)	8/24/2000 10:04:08 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

Shameless Compromisers Diane Alden July 20, 2000 Not long ago liberal journalist Anthony Lewis asked, "Does Clinton want to be remembered as the one who sold out our civil liberties?" One could also pose the question, "Do the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans make this sellout possible?" Recently, Senator Don Nickles, R-Okla., attempted to limit the executive branch from acting like the Caesar it has become. Clinton has used executive orders and various acts of Congress in less than constitutional ways. By willy-nilly declaring huge tracts of land as monuments, in effect he has taken the land and its use away from the states and their citizens. He has taken something that doesn't belong to him and handed it over to government, in the name of a faceless "public." The Nickles amendment went down to defeat by one vote. It would seem that Clinton, the Democrats and a couple of Republicans have lost their constitutional compass and are leading us on a treacherous path toward despotism and fascism. Members of the government at all levels swear under oath to uphold the Constitution. In recent years many of them, including the president, have not lived up to that oath. The Clinton administration in particular has shown total disrespect for the concepts in that venerable document. Time and time again it has failed to understand and protect the rule of law flowing from that document. (cont) newsmax.com

To: pezz who wrote (59)	8/24/2000 10:23:06 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

Clinton's forest disaster worldnetdaily.com

To: pezz who wrote (59)	8/24/2000 10:26:12 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

Natural fires although of short term environmental concern are not the real threat to our wild lands and the wildlife that lives there. Human activities are. Hey Pezz, here's a challenge for you. Name for me one human threat to nature's wilderness and wildlife that isn't replicated in one form or another by Mother Nature itself. (eg: Hunters killing wildlife for food and fun, Cats killing mice for food and fun) In my opinion, nature herself is the most destruction force on this planet. She has been responsible for altering weather conditions over the past million years that have resulted in numerous extinctions and mutations. Nature has temporarily destroyed uncounted acres of habitat through fire and volcanic activity such as the explosion of Mt. St. Helens. Just think of all the air pollution that is being created right now as a result of those forest fires. And you know once in a while nature even relies on explosive power that rivals the largest Nuclear weapons ever created or tested by mankind. You can look back to the fireball over Tunguska in 1908 that flatten hundreds of square miles of Siberian forest, killing everything within its radius. Or how about Krakatoa that sent ash and poisonous greenhouse gases into the air in such a quantity that 1883 was referred to as "the year without a summer". What bothers me about liberals like yourself is that you secretly are on a path of self destruction. You believe that mankind is the only devastator of the environment and thus somehow a criminal who must face justice at the hands of a victimized Mother Nature, maybe to the extent that we have to kill ourselves off so that Nature can exist without us. But the reality is that Mother Nature victimizes herself and her creatures. She does everything possible to kill off all of her creatures, either with tornadoes, fire, or any number of predators. Survival is not a right, not even for us. It is something that we insure through our own actions. There is NOTHING that mankind does to this planet that isn't reflected in nature itself. But life goes on, nature recovers and regains it's ecological equilibrium. If you think human activities are such a threat, look at how you have derived your lifestyle from those very same activities. Think about the metal used in your home and car that was derived from mining. Think about the wood and paper that was derived from our forests. And ponder how the plastics in your computer were derived from oil pumped from drilling rigs on the North Slope of Alaska. But then dwell upon how the electricity that you are using on that computer may well be derived from an hydroelectric dam blocking the "normal" flow of water. Your very activities RIGHT NOW are impacting the environment Pezz. But unless you want to turn into a eco-terrorist like Theodore Kascynski, you will have to learn to live with your guilt and create the conditions where man and nature can find an equilibrium of our own that ensures that we disturbed as little as possible, but we still recognize that human's have as much a right to survive and prosper as any other creature within Nature. I can guarantee you that no other animal in nature would concern themselves in the least about how much damage they do in the name of ensuring their survival.