To: Neocon who wrote (86517 ) 8/26/2000 12:04:49 PM From: jbe Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 108807 Neo, I would agree that the distinction between what is "altruistic" and what is "selfish" is often drawn too sharply. Yet there are many cases where there is clearly a distinction. Take the parable about the widow's mite, for example. The widow gives only a tiny bit, but it is all she has, and she gives it unobtrusively. The rich man gives a much larger amount(he has much more), but he makes sure everybody sees him doing it. The widow's giving is altruistic; the rich man's giving is selfish, because he wishes only to impress his neighbors. The result may be good (Jesus does not say that one should refuse the rich man's alms); but the motivation is all wrong. "Morality" is a trickier matter, IMO. Speaking of distinctions, I like to draw one between "morality" and "ethics," even though, etymologically, they are synonyms. Thus, I think of ethical principles as "eternal," as it were, while I see "morality" as reflecting particular behavioral codes, which may vary widely from society to society. If "morality" is so understood (as "propriety"), I would say there is nothing either altruistic or selfish about observing it, because it is merely a matter of "doing as the Romans do." "Do not act so as to offend the sensibilities of your neighbors, as you would not have them offend yours." The point here is that the claims others make on us, as well as the claims we make on them, may objectively be unreasonable/immoderate/unjustified/whatever. We might even say that in some cases the claims of "morality" can be "unethical." (I suppose a scriptural example of that would be the Pharisees' criticism of Jesus for consorting with publicans and prostitutes. They were interested only in his behavior, which "offended their sensibilities," rather than in its motivation.)