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To: Dan3 who wrote (108644)	8/27/2000 8:36:05 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 186894

Lewinsky Dan, RE:"I fell for it a couple of times, but I've learned. Developers keep finding a use for that power and pretty soon "more speed than anyone could use" becomes inadequate. People don't buy machines for next week, they buy machines that will be useful for 2 to 3 years (or more). And it is always painful to have a machine less than about a third of the speed of current state of the art systems. Right now that's a 333. Next year it'll be a 600, and the year after that only 1 Gigahertz or faster will do. People are buying for the year after next - they've learned the hard way that the cost and disruption of changing machines is such that getting an extra year out of a purchase is well worth spending a few extra dollars today." Good point about buying for the next few years... Jim

To: Dan3 who wrote (108644)	8/28/2000 12:03:03 PM
From: f.simons	Respond to of 186894

Dan- And it is always painful to have a machine less than about a third of the speed of current state of the art systems. For the people who post on these threads, maybe. But not for a lot of those who don't follow things as closely as we do. If there is no compelling application that a person just has to have, or if you are not a serious gamer, old stuff works just fine. I am typing this on a 233 PII, 64 megs of memory and 6 gig hd. It has worked just great for me for about 3 years now, and I have no plans to replace it. People are buying for the year after next I don't know where you get this, but I disagree. People buy the most machine they can afford to run the things that are important to them. Just about everybody knows that no matter what you buy today, it will be out-of-date in two years. Not obsolete, just out-of-date. I figured I would be accused of belonging to the "we will never need anything faster than what we have now" school. I do not subscribe to that, only that the megahertz wars seem to be taking place in a vacuum right now, with no apparent real current need for the extra speed. Back in the old 386/486 days, speed bumps produced noticeable results on the desktop. I do not believe that is true right now. Frank

To: Dan3 who wrote (108644)	8/28/2000 2:20:29 PM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 186894

Dan2, >People don't buy machines for next week, they buy machines that will be useful for 2 to 3 years (or more). You just made an argument for buying an Intel machine. Everyone's heard of the P4 by now, and 1.4. 1.5, and 2.0 GHz. Those that like the most jazzed machines, and opt to hold out right now and wait for things to shake out, will wait for the P4. They can then rest assured that they'll have the fastest, or close to it machine available for a good while. However, I personally agree with Frank. A 700/733 MHz machine I buy right now will suit me just fine for a good three years. I think that is the consensus opinion, witness the huge volumes of chips Intel is shipping in that range, +/- a couple 100 MHz. And, the best thing is that I can buy a VERY nicely loaded PC, with all the power I need for less than $1,500, with monitor! When else could I have said that? Never, spent >$2K for every other PC and felt that some part of it was too lightweight almost right away. It's Intel that's grabbing the vast majority of the business from the vast majority of people, like me, smack dab in the middle of their sweetspot. Tony