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To: Rambi who wrote (55312)	8/28/2000 12:18:11 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

hmm, well, what happened in actual fact in the case discussed, was that the teen saw outside himself for a moment. And that moment was enough. He still remembers it, and he looks to things that matter to him. Not him or anyone is going to get "stop being negative" from me. Hell, I think death is a fine option, and I think the world mostly sucks and 99% of the people in it do. I'm not going to tell a 15 year old boy who is still in the eighth grade, and flunking it again, whose father beats him, and whose mother is out to lunch, and who thinks hotdogs to go with the biscuits for dinner is a GOOD meal, and whose ceiling has several leaks and all the walls have holes from his father's fists... that life is all hunky-dory and he just needs a good attitude. Life IS full of crap, and most the people here lie, betray, and don't really give a damn. And they sure wouldn't sit up for three days with you. Course I only did it because I wasn't doing anything else at the time, and what the hell. The point is the sunrise is HIS if he wants it. Not all the lying, abusive assholes in the world can take it away from him. It's all you have to count on sometimes. That and yourself. And if you really want to die, fine. I wouldn't have stopped him, I wouldn't have said it was bad. But then I wasn't his mother who loved him, I was the one listening to what can be too painful for a mother to hear, that their child wants to die. Just in my experience, people who are suicidal find something to hold onto, some reason to stay, some way to seperate from their pain and focus on something else... or they die. Simple enough. And I laughed at him a lot. It's hard not to laugh in the face of such actute teen-age agnst. But one must be careful. Teens are soooooooo sensitive.

To: Rambi who wrote (55312)	8/28/2000 12:29:20 PM
From: Gauguin	Respond to of 71178

>>I've only been seriously depressed once in my life and I didn't have the energy to complain about it. I figure if people are actively talking about it, they must still have some energy left.<< Can I agree with this? Todally? I know a lot of people commit suicide almost by accident. Because they create a perpetuity they can't logically escape. Another bunch go against their own reason and wishes and don't really want to die. You know ~ there are different quasi "groups." That I'm trying to eliminate before getting to some of the others. I mean claiming they exist. Other Stories. And it's a real shame that people paint themselves into a corner who don't want to die; and I think we can try to handle our opportunity with them (should it arise) (a blessing), in any dignified manner we can put together on the spot. But depression, the Real Thing, is a different story. And "I didn't have the energy to complain about it." ~ is a real and QUIET part of that story. These people don't carry on dialogs. They are way too real for that. (I'm NOT going to give anyone any crap on my way out. I don't care. I don't give a shit about raising your crap.) That one is a Big Deep Story, that pisses people off. As a matter of fact, it sometimes seems like, ALL Stories piss people off. This is not good. People (generally) are not good listeners. They're yapping fucks. I would put myself in Learning Listener category. I mean, I see that as a way to go. Ethically. Functionally. Well, that and yapper extraordinaire.

To: Rambi who wrote (55312)	8/28/2000 2:27:54 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 71178

I don't know. I think almost anything you do for a depressed person is better than nothing. I suspect what is right for the depressed person depends on the individual depressed person. Being told to look at crap as a gift is a little different than being told to go watch a sunrise. I have always found sunrises (and sunsets) to be beautiful- I do not think I would be able to look at being fired as beautiful. Some things are more beautiful than other things (imo). But hey, that's me. There is insensitivity and then there is really big insensitivity.