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To: TigerPaw who wrote (32919)	8/28/2000 10:38:24 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Interesting Tiger, I clicked my mouse a few times and came up with this information on the orginator of the study. First, let's take a look at their mission. The Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice (CJCJ) is a private non-profit organization whose mission is to reduce society's reliance on the use of incarceration as a solution to social problems. This is done through the provision of programs to persons facing imprisonment, education efforts about imprisonment and its effect on people, and technical assistance to entities wishing to establish and/or evaluate programs working with those facing imprisonment.. Looks like they have a vested interest in presenting the information in a certain way. By the way, here is the actual study as presented to the writer of the article. Notice the biased way in which it's presented. An objectively based organization wouldn't present a study that way. Or come to such definite conclusions. cjcj.org But let's not stop there. Let's take a look at some of the people running the organization. The President (Vincent Schiraldi) has strongly opposed the 'three strikes your out' initiative in California, and looks to be an active lobbyist working to repeal the initiative. No doubt the rest of the organization is comprised of like-minded liberal Democrats, who've been soft on crime for years. So basically the study is from a Democratic front group. Interesting on the surface, and I wouldn't completely dismiss the findings, but I sure would want a lot more information before I sucked it up hook-line-and-sinker, the way you apparently have. Michael

To: TigerPaw who wrote (32919)	8/29/2000 1:01:34 AM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

1/3 of the entire state's African American population in the system, and uses the death penalty as often as it can be scheduled, the crime reduction for the state is about the worst in the nation. Well to start with your so-called study said 1/3 of the African American "male" population or else there are no African American women in Texas (which may or may not account for the inordinate amount of crime). Are you suggesting crime should go unpunished because the decrease in crime is not to your liking or the people who did this study? Incredible. Time to rev up the old drug-legalizing or de-criminalizing debate.