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To: Maverick who wrote (6905)	8/29/2000 4:05:58 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Mav, While I admire Mr. Barrett for taking the fall I strongly believe that Intels misdirection started well in advance of his tenure...with Andy Grove. Timna was a reaction rather than an action and Rambus was a feeble attempt to set a standard for the purpose of cornering the market first and any speed improvement came second. P4 is just a Rube Goldberg device designed for speed leaving a lot of clock cycles unused. Ok...so with the Mhz it will run some benchmarks well...but it appears patchwork at the very least. Jim

To: Maverick who wrote (6905)	8/30/2000 2:34:48 PM
From: d e conway	Respond to of 275872

Thanks a bunch for that very informative URL. (repeating:) electronicnews.com I especially liked: "Since the P4 is debuting with the more expensive Rambus memory, the mainstream market will be shut out until a chipset supporting SDRAM memory is introduced in the second half of 2001. "Prices are going to come down drastically by the later part of 2001," Gwenapp said. He expects prices to run between $1,800 and $1,200 next year and then to fall to less than $1,000 in early 2002." and "...its many transistors will dissipate more heat. Analysts expected the chip to measure a mammoth 170 sq. mm, or about 60 percent larger than the Pentium III, but they believe that right now the chip is close to 200 sq. mm. Since yield diminishes with the square of the die area, a P4 wafer will only yield half as many chips as a wafer used to make Pentium III chips." and "only by the second half of next year will the company be in a position to generate significant revenue from P4 production" It should be obvious, in other words, that we should consider the P4 to be a desperate flash-in-the-pan, slow-arriving, way-too-expensive, heat-producing DUD. regards, Dan

To: Maverick who wrote (6905)	8/30/2000 3:08:48 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Maverick - RE: "Must Read:Intel's CEO Admits to a Lack of Critical-Path Planning" Tim MacEachern, a lurker, noticed this interesting part of the article - "Also, the difference between RDRAM and SDRAM on standard benchmarks will be a few percentage points, but the price premium will be about 30 percent. In this case, DRAM makers will be looking for profits and hence will not commit to RDRAM. Intel, though, is "investigating" double data rate chipsets that will help Intel ramp up the P4. Intel is expected to license its chipset technology to others under the condition that chipset makers have no part of AMD." Is that legal?