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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (628)	9/2/2000 2:21:09 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Todays Bible reading Isaiah 8:13-20 13 The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread, 14 and he will be a sanctuary; but for both houses of Israel he will be a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall. And for the people of Jerusalem he will be a trap and a snare. 15 Many of them will stumble; they will fall and be broken, they will be snared and captured." 16 Bind up the testimony and seal up the law among my disciples. 17 I will wait for the LORD, who is hiding his face from the house of Jacob. I will put my trust in him. 18 Here am I, and the children the LORD has given me. We are signs and symbols in Israel from the LORD Almighty, who dwells on Mount Zion. 19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.

To: Greg or e who wrote (628)	9/2/2000 10:36:36 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

It is not a simple question at all. Good is what I think good is- and since I know it is based on my personal preferences, and since I know that other people's opinions of what is good are different than mine, I know that good is relative. I have seen it demonstrated that it is relative. QED What is more as a student of history I know that good has been looked at very differently in other places at other times, if history is to be believed. And while I don't give undo credence to history, when it dovetails with my personal experience in the present- it adds weight. As for Bill (poor man) is oral sex sex? I don't know. It isn't sexual intercourse. I would say it is a sexual act- but I'm really not sure it is sex. I've reflected on this for a long time. I still think doing whatever it was he was doing with an employee was inappropriate, but I can understand why he had a problem answering the question. Add to this I think it was totally wrong that he was questioned about it to begin with- only Monica, imo, had the standing to complain about this situation- since she did not I really don't see how it is any of our business. She was of age- if she had been harrassed and complained I would totally support punishment. But she did not complain. She apparently enjoyed her relationship. I am for people enjoying themselves as long as they don't physically injure other people. Morality is a fluid and elastic concept to me- it depends on what society you are born into, and to what types of persons in that society. I was born to highly educated parents, who were free thinkers. My frame of reference and morality would probably be completely different if I'd been born to parents who were Hassidic Jews, or Amish, or Southern Baptists. Humans have a few moral constants- most societies extract a penalty for intentional murder- but the nature of that penalty differs and the definition of what is intentional murder also can vary greatly. So I do not think definition is evasion. When everything is relative definition is the only way to be sure what people mean. You and I are already starting poles apart- I cannot be expected to know what you mean since you live in a religious society (if only in your own mind) and I do not. Your mind is shaped by your belief and mine is not. We are bound to see things very differently. That doesn't make either one of us right (imo- you may have a different opinion)- but it does make our whole perception of reality different. So I have NO idea, and I mean this, what you mean by good and evil. You would have no idea what I mean either if I used those terms without defining them, I would be willing to bet money on that.