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To: alydar who wrote (48939)	9/2/2000 11:30:34 AM
From: kvkkc1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

I'm not technically inclined in software code, but what I can tell you as I managed oversite for a software development program, is that Oracle database expertise is extremely hard to come by, and if their standards are open, it doesn't seem like someone should have to have such expertise to work with it. The same program was also trying to divest itself of the Sun ultra sparc's for the same proprietary reasons.knc

To: alydar who wrote (48939)	9/2/2000 2:50:29 PM
From: mozek	Respond to of 74651

Bob, Where did you get that information? It's true that Oracle was involved in using XML fairly early on along with IBM and Microsoft. Sun, on the other hand, didn't really do much with it until a little over a year ago when they announced that they were going to tack it on the side of Java, but not, in my perception, as a first class citizen. By that time, a number of third parties had already been using XML with Java, and Sun either needed to grab control of it or risk losing that control to some other XML savvy leader. Just my firsthand observation (JMFO). Mike

To: alydar who wrote (48939)	9/2/2000 5:05:36 PM
From: Tom C	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

blisenko, ORCL's and SUNW's software is based on XML and JAVA based standards I haven't used Oracle's tools for a while. Are you saying that none of their application are written in Oracle*Forms any more? Are they 100% Java at this point in time? I don't remember them renouncing the proprietary PL/SQL. What was it replaced with? SUNW and XML? I haven't seen much about this. XML and XML based protocols like SOAP tend to make JAVA less relevant (at least for web based applications). Tom

To: alydar who wrote (48939)	9/2/2000 5:27:25 PM
From: Tom C	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74651

ORCL's and SUNW's software is based on XML and JAVA based standards One last comment. Can you point me to the standards committee that's overseeing the development of JAVA? Java is not open. Java is designed for write once, run on many different operating environments. Java is controlled by one company (with input from others) it's not open in the sense of being controlled by a standards committee. Wasn't Unix supposed to be an Open System (OSF), what ever happened to that? Didn't SUNW pretty much nix that? Tom