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To: rudedog who wrote (109226)	9/3/2000 2:26:15 PM
From: kash johal	Respond to of 186894

Rudedog, From the amd thread re AThlon 2. Now remember thread, Nobody's gonna want these chips: Thread, Athlon 2? cpupress.com CPUPress would like to announce some hot (confirmed) news just off the press. You saw it here first, the new AMD Camaro CPU specifications! This CPU was first known as the Camaro, now it is known as the Palomino. Without further ado ; 0.13micron process Mustang Core 512Kbyte - 1MB L2 Ondie Full Speed cache 166Mhz FSB EV6 DDR (333MHz) 3Dnow! Technology 3Dnow+ Technology (including SSE Support) Socket A Form Factor Between 1.3v and 1.6v CPU core volts Currently this is all the information we can obtain, the AMD Camaro is rumored to be called the AMD Athlon 2, this is unconfirmed. That's about it, when we get furtuer information regarding the Camario we would be sure to let you know. UPDATE: For some reason we misspelled the name of the Camaro -sorry! Kindest regards, CrazyMan

To: rudedog who wrote (109226)	9/3/2000 2:32:54 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

rudedog, re: PIV performance Some more info on poor PIV performance from tomshardware: www6.tomshardware.com Now remember thread this Tom is an idiot and hates intel. Although the idiot was right about RDRAM. And about the 1.13 Ghz he was right about that. But who cares about facts. regards, Kash

To: rudedog who wrote (109226)	9/3/2000 2:43:12 PM
From: kash johal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

rudedog, Some more PIV benchmarks. Allegedly providided by a major oem. Of course register and this OEM are likely lying again: More Pentium 4 benchmarks tip up By: Mike Magee Posted: 02/09/2000 at 12:13 GMT A PC manufacturer close to Intel's plans has supplied The Register with benchmarks of the up-and-coming Pentium 4. At the same time, it appears that Intel has now scheduled a launch event for the week of October 30th, by which time the Pentium 4 will have gone through a couple of more steps. Currently the chipset stepping is B0, and our source cautions us that these tests are on a beta platform, using non-final steppings of both CPU and chipset. Nevertheless, the benchmarks are of considerable interest, and add some more to those we've previously seen. At this point, we'd like to point out that in addition to CPU2's marks, our friends at FullOn3D also published some benchmarks quite a while back, while our attention has also been drawn to remarks made by Paul De Mone on Ace's Hardware bulletin board. His comments are both interesting and cautionary. According to our mole, his tests yield the same results as the low level benchmarks on 2CPU but he also quotes very low figures using Winstone and Sysmark 2000. Business Winstone, he claims, does not yield reliable results for clock speeds over the 800MHz level. Further, the board used for testing requires more optimisation. Meanwhile, Intel has also started shipping the first samples of its Garibaldi Pentium 4 boxed mobo, which has a way to go before distributors and dealers can start flogging it. The tests compare the AMD Thunderbird 1.1GHz chip with the Intel Pentium 4 1400, running Win98SE, and 128Mb of memory, and using the nv15 DDR/6.14 det3 for graphics. Here we go: Business Winstone 99 1.2 Thunderbird: 34.8 Pentium 4: 30.5 SysMark 2000 Thunderbird: 206 Pentium 4: 180 Business Graphics 99 Thunderbird: 513 Pentium 4: 337 HE Graph.99 Thunderbird: 1406 Pentium 4: 964 3D WB 2000 Thunderbird: 107 Pentium 4: 115 3D Mark 2000 Thunderbird: 5764 Pentium 4: 6285 Quake 3 High Quality Thunderbird: 90.9 Pentium 4: 92.6 Quake 3 Normal Thunderbird: 148.9 Pentium 4: 194.8 Bus. Disk99 Thunderbird: 6450 Pentium 4: 6750 HE Disk 99 Thunderbird: 22300 Pentium 4: 21400 CPU Mark 32 Thunderbird: 97 Pentium 4: 84 FPU Thunderbird: 6010 Pentium 4: 4790 Benchmarks (and benchmarketing) are a total nightmare, as Robert Collins points out in this Dr Dobbs piece. Looks like we're gonna have to wait until the end of October now for the reality of odious comparisons… ®