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To: ajbrenner who wrote (7510)	9/4/2000 9:09:36 PM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 275872

ajb, The only thing I am aware of is the Golden Orb heatsink causing some chipping of the TBird core. I believe the heatsink has been recalled and replaced with Chrome Orb by the manufacturer, which is not as horrible, but it is still bad and I would stay away from that one as well. I think it is quite a stretch to say that the CPU is a cause of the problems with the defective heatsinks. It's like the 1 GHz Athlon "problems" with Gateway that ended up being motherboard problems. I wonder if this recommendation is going to come back to haunt him if the 1 GHz CPUs end up getting recalled as well eventually. 1 GHz Piii is basically running out of spec. The longer you run your CPU out of spec, the higher the probability of problems arising. Joe

To: ajbrenner who wrote (7510)	9/4/2000 10:09:35 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

ajb. All the flip chip cpus are inherently more fragile. Pro builders know how to add the right amount of the right heat sink compound and rotate flat with minimal rocking to extrude the excess compound. Then once this is achieved, the mounting clip has to be attached, all the while with minimal rocking of the CPU-heat sink interface. It is this rocking that leads to splintering of the CPU and if the splintering goes too far it is a cause for failure. Even if the splinters are minimal they make areas of thicker compound that have a higher resistance to heat flow, leading to thermal gradients that can cause mechanical stresses that propagate fractures. That this is done by amateurs who want to overclock their Durons etc goes without saying. These same amateurs are the first to complain and squeal "bad chip" and ask for a refund. Thay also beat on doors and make posts on chat lines out of all proprtion to the real size of the problem. The problem is tiny as all the sites warn about this as well as saying "overclocking can screw your CPU as can bad assembly of the heat sink". We have bred a race of young people who feel that they have the right to complain loud and get a refund that is not deserved. They also make use of the Visa charge back right and yank the bucks from the innocent dealer with a false statement. Bill