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To: goldsnow who wrote (17018)	9/5/2000 11:28:14 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Respond to of 17770

>Christian religions that differ from Roman Catholicism cannot be considered ``proper churches,'' the Vatican said today, reaffirming the position that it is the one, true Christian faith. That reminds me of what those Christian Orthodox priests were telling me (the Christian Orthodox Church represents the true Christians, all others are not real Christians) when I went to Bible School as a Kid. The only reason I went to it was because I always got something in return (more allowance, more time for soccer games, etc.). After a year of this crap they could not bribe me with anything to go there, it was pure torture to listen to such arguments. NOw if we could only stop Gus from posting similar crap that is so long and so off base....<ggg> George

To: goldsnow who wrote (17018)	9/6/2000 6:23:33 AM
From: Yaacov	Respond to of 17770

Christian religions that differ from Roman Catholicism cannot be considered ``proper churches,'' the Vatican said today, reaffirming the position that it is the one, true Christian faith. "" Who cares!!!

To: goldsnow who wrote (17018)	9/6/2000 7:25:24 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

The Roman Catholic Church traces its founding back to Christ. There is a direct lineage there. Other churches go back to Henry VIII, Martin Luther, Calvin, etc. That the Pope would apologize to England for wrongs committed seems absurd. Maybe if they gave back some of the property that was looted and apologized for the mass murder of nuns and priests, they could agree on something amicable. These apologies are beginning to get maudlin.

To: goldsnow who wrote (17018)	9/7/2000 3:04:02 PM
From: Yaacov	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

Gospodin, I like they way you think. But I ma not sure if Bin laden is real or virtual!

To: goldsnow who wrote (17018)	9/8/2000 6:14:51 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 17770

Goldsnow, Footnote to my post #17012: Killing of deportees by the immigration police Governments are also adopting a brutal approach within Europe towards asylum-seekers whose applications have been rejected - an approach with denies even their basic human rights. The fact that specially chartered flights are used to carry out group deportations is just one aspect. For group deportations carried out after police searches for rejected asylum-seekers and other undocumented workers are the antithesis of a system that respects individual human rights. For instance, a mass deportation of 74 Bosnians from Berlin in Summer '98 included traumatised people who had lived through the concentration camps, a person suffering from severe epilepsy, a mother who was sent back without her daughter and people who had previously been promised that they would not be sent back by force because they had enrolled in a programme which aimed at the voluntary return of whole communities together. Institutionalised violence The immigration police seem to take the view that injuries, even death, are the price that has to be paid to effect deportations. No case demonstrates this more vividly than that of the rejected Nigerian asylum-seeker, Semira Adamu, [a 20-year-old girl] who suffered a heart attack brought on by a brain haemorrhage after Belgian immigration police attempted to deport her using the notorious 'pillow restraint method'. The deportation attempt was recorded on video (it is, apparently, routine practice for Belgian police to film 'difficult deportations') and subsequently broadcast on national television. Shocked viewers witnessed gendarmes laughing and cracking jokes while suffocating Adamu with a cushion. It is only through deaths like that of Semira Adamu, or that of the Jamaican UK deportee, Joy Gardner (who died in 1993 after a special deportation squad sealed her mouth with 13-foot of adhesive tape and restrained her with a leather body belt ), that the true facts on violence and deportations are made public. Following Adamu's death, the French ministry of justice launched an investigation into its deportation techniques after revelations that French police were using tranquillisers and the 'pillow-method' to carry out deportations. 'They squeezed my neck and covered my nose and mouth to stop me breathing', one Malian deportee testified. 'They put a pillow over my mouth... I was tied to my seat with a cord round my neck and my feet.' [snip] Excerpted from: carf.demon.co.uk Well, as I told you in a previous post, the truth of it is that the Gestapo video of Semira's brutal murdering was NEVER "subsequently broadcast on national television [so that] shocked viewers witnessed gendarmes laughing and cracking jokes while suffocating Adamu with a cushion [under the careless eye of SABENA air hostesses]." Only a select committee comprising then-Interior Minister Louis Tobback, Gendarmerie's staff officers and other top brass have been allowed to view the tape --hey, this is no RodneyKingland here!! Let the mob watch a good soccer match or something....