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To: KevRupert who wrote (1648)9/10/2000 11:38:40 PM
From: Andre Williamson  Respond to of 6784
 
My thoughts on that piece:

(http://www.allnetdevices.com/industry/reality/2000/09/04/is_palm.html)

Lesson One:
Lesson One: Microsoft can wait longer than Palm.


Palm has a billion cash and MSFT is under a microscope so it can't easily loss-lead its way into this market or run Palm off the road. And with a string of market also-rans/failures in the small form factor, no one feels rushed to head their way - quite the opposite, in fact.

Lesson Two:
Lesson Two: Technology prices always fall.


Hmmm. Then how come their devices continue at the pricey end? Also I don't think their prices will be able to drop dramatically any time soon because their "better featured" units still aren't capable of powerfully delivering the features they tout (IMO).

component prices always drop. Pocket PCs won't always be so expensive

So what's the point? Prices drop for Palm, too. MSFT gets money primarily from the licensees, whereas dropping component prices benefit Palm most.

Lesson Three:
Lesson Three: People want compelling applications.


True. And in the case of PDAs, they're not mini-Excel and mini-Word. Palm has by far more applications and developers supporting its OS.

Multimedia applications, an area in which the Pocket PC platform is clearly superior to Palm's, have the potential to be compelling. Those compelling applications aren't here yet, but ...

Oh that my own musings could be as compelling as David Haskins's! I submit, however, that the hardware power necessary to deliver rich multimedia experiences is not here yet at affordable price point - nor will it be for a few years. Here Palm has a leg up on MSFT with MSFT's own playbook - get something out now that works. (Except in fact it really does work.)

Lesson Four:
Lesson Four: Compelling applications are inevitable. I take it as an article of faith that compelling applications will be available sooner rather than later.


Yes, they're here already - mostly for Palm OS. And Palm has more developers putting them together.

Lesson Five:
Lesson Five: People will use a clumsier operating system. Palm correctly points out that Pocket PC is clumsier to use than the Palm platform. Desktop Windows is clumsy, too, but zillions of users have become accustomed to it even though more usable operating systems are available.


Yes, and the level of antipathy for the BSOD and the arrogance of calling a multiple-patch job an "upgrade" and charging people for it has made people wary of getting similarly abused in a smaller form factor. If anything, my own anti-MSFT rabidity should give you an inkling of what MSFT is up against. How many people do you know that hate Palm?

Once users learn an operating system, they stick with it.

This is a pro-MSFT point? It's fine by me, seeing as Palm OS has a slight edge in market share.

How Long Does Palm Have?
Palm is readying a major new platform release for early in 2001 that builds in lots of wireless capability but won't significantly improve the platform's multimedia capabilities.


Multimedia shmultemedia. Decent wireless access is the key to making me happy.

It's guesswork, of course, but I think Palm has a year after this next release to upgrade to a multimedia-savvy 32-bit operating system. If it doesn't, the handheld world could change profoundly. Like Windows, Pocket PC could become an overnight success that took years to occur. And Palm could go the way of WordPerfect.

Nice little thesis. Pity it's so much "guesswork," "think," and "could." How about this for a thesis:

1) Palm sales ramp into a tornado.
2) Price points remain the sweetest in the industry.
3) The m100 form factor is a complete hit with new adopters.
4) CE remains a niche, with hardware makers alternately dropping and picking up the OS.
5) Sony and Handspring continue to expand the Palm OS user base, all while not making very much money and feeding royalties to Palm.
6) The large phone makers catapult the Palm OS user base forward.
7) Most consumers have no/little interest in PocketPC devices.

I submit there's a lot more evidence to backup my thesis.

Grrrr. Send me the next poorly argued piece :)

Andre

PS: Seems like a lot of the longs here are non-Palm users (I was surprised at how many don't actually use one). My Palm is the bigger half of my brain, and as I wait for a replacement body for my Palm's soul, I'm positively suffering withdrawal. Sniff.



To: KevRupert who wrote (1648)9/11/2000 3:11:11 AM
From: lkj  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6784
 
Is Palm the Next WordPerfect?

Ad,

The article has some good points in pointing out some weaknesses in Palm, but a more careful analysis will show that the author has little understanding of the market dynamics and failed to put enough thinking is his analysis. Even more, comparing WordPerfect to Palm is a mistake, because Microsoft's leverage in the PDA world is much smaller than its influence in desktop. I would like to point out some of his article's flaws.

1) Making multimedia-rich PDA in large quantity is impossible in the next 12 months. Take the color Clie as an example, if Sony can't source enough components, no one can.

2) Wireless is the key. Clearly, the surveys have said that wireless connectivity will be the killer app for PDAs, NOT multimedia. PDA going wireless' biggest problem is power consumption. Mixing multimedia and connectivity at this point is a dead product.

3) If the author is right that the Palm OS will offer better connectivity in its next release, Palm will once again offer a much greater value proposition than the CE camp. And when components availability and improvement in technology arrive in 2002, Palm will be well into its next major release. You can bet that multimedia will be in there. (In fact, I think it will be there sooner.)

4) The author failed in linking multimedia to video/audio, which CE is great for. In my opinion, gaming should be the number one multimedia function. In the area, Palm is again leading over CE.

I don't see flaws in Palm's execution plan. Do you? On the other hand, CE is nearly falling apart. For a while, embedded NT was pushed by the NT group, now the Windows group is pushing Windows for embedded devices. With dotNet as its major innitiative, Microsoft is starting to show faulterings of an organization that's simply too large. It is not what Palm is going to do to Microsoft, rather, it's what Microsoft will do to itself that should be the number one concern in MSFT investors' heads.

Regards,

Khan



To: KevRupert who wrote (1648)9/11/2000 2:03:17 PM
From: David E. Taylor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 6784
 
Ad:

Palm vs MSFT - Gorilla and King, or Gorilla and Chimp?

Well, we certainly have no shortage of Palm critics/sceptics in the financial press. While I agree that Palm had better stay as paranoid about MSFT, the Pocket PC, and other competition as they reportedly were previously, I think this author's comparison with WP is misplaced, he should have written a comparison with Novell. WP sold out to Novell before Windows was really established, and Novell sneered at WIN 3.x and declined to develop a Windows version of WP. I bought into NOVL at the time (I used WP because all my corporate/legal clients used it), thinking that with their 90%+ lock on the enterprise network OS and their corporate sales force, they'd maintain or even increase WP's 60%+ market share. But their neglect of Windows was their undoing, and Windows NT undid the Netware OS as well. Corel was more "MSFT/Windows aware" than Novell, but they lacked a corporate/enterprise sales presence and were no match for MSFT. But it wasn't lack of application features that did WP in - I still use Corels office software, partly because I always have, partly because it's just as good as MS Office - it was abysmal sales and marketing to enterprise customers.

And on that score, I see no evidence that Palm has dropped the ball. They're partnered with heavyweights everywhere - amongst others MOT and NOK in the wireless area (missing ERICY but they'll get on board if Palm's OS becomes the de facto standard); in the service provider area with AOL and now DoCoMo; and in the enterprise market they're working with IBM, SUNW and ORCL. This last is an important factor IMO, ORCL's database software linked to handhelds running Palm's OS gives Palm the intro to the enterprise market where there are big $$, and Larry Ellison would work with anyone to get in Bill Gate's face. I'm surprised ORCL doesn't have an equity stake in Palm. It doesn't matter that MSFT owns the corporate OS, Palm and other handhelds will interface with the enterprise software applications, not the enterprise OS.

On the design front, it's clear that as a hardware platform, the Pocket PC is presently ahead of Palm in terms of processing power, memory, screen, and its capability to run more complex applications and multimedia. The capability to run MS Word, Excel etc. will be a factor for some people - it clearly is for you - but not for others, me included. As I've said before, I think Palm would be foolish to get into a feature war with MSFT based on Windows style applications and office software (one model provides all and one size fits all), because that's a battle Palm can't win, and that's what all this infantile taunting by MSFT is about. As for personalized applications, Palm has enough vertical market, personal, and niche applications to satisfy most users right now. Multimedia? I think we'll see this with the next generation Palm OS and hardware platform, maybe sooner than we think, because a more capable platform and OS (but still simple and robust) are going to be needed for the more sophisticated enterprise applications that are being developed. I think we'll see all kinds of new add-in features and capabilities via the SD slot (which will probably be in all Palm's next year if not sooner), which will allow users to personalize their Palm's even more to include some if not all of the stuff MSFT is bragging about.

And as for the Haskin WP article, check out his two earlier writings on this subject:

Pocket PC Makes Palm Vulnerable. Will Microsoft Respond? April 24, 2000

allnetdevices.com

Here Haskin says:

Nothing significant is likely to occur with the current Pocket PC vendors, Compaq, Hewlett-Packard and Casio, who are focused on old models of approaching the business market. That is, they sell primarily through their own channels and charge at least $100 more for their devices than Palm handhelds.

Pocket PC has far more compelling multimedia capabilities than Palm, but most businesspeople use their handhelds for personal information, not for playing audio and video. As a result, there's no reason most business uses would pay significantly more for a Pocket PC handheld that isn't, frankly, significantly better than a Palm for its primary use.


He goes on to say that the Pocket PC vendors have to do two things: get the price down to $200 for consumers (impossible in the near term IMO), and market aggressively to consumers. But that's where the margins are razor thin and unattractive to the likes of HWP, CPQ and others, and it ignores the enterprise market where there are big $$ to be made through the wireless services. Catch 22 for Pocket PC? Could be - they can't make it cheap enough for the consumer market and the business market wants and needs a customized solution.

The second Haskin article is: Is Pocket PC Taking a Tragic Turn? July 10, 2000

allnetdevices.com

Pocket PCs are more complicated to use than Palm handhelds, but their real problem is how much they cost. The beautiful screens and processing power that make them sophisticated computing platforms also make them as much as twice as expensive as Palm OS handhelds. Understanding Pocket PC's strengths, Microsoft has embarked on its logical but misguided "Can your palm do this" advertising campaign. This campaign aims at young people who can't afford the devices and ignores information technology folks who potentially could make the handhelds successful.

Which is precisely the point I made above. He also slams MSFT's subsidized marketing model and reaches the same conclusion as in the first article, namely that Pocket PC's have to come down in price.

So who will win this battle - MSFT with its cram it all in the box and in the software and then convince everyone that's what they want/need, or PALM's approach where they provide a simple, ultra-reliable platform and OS and let each user and each market customize the unit to suit their own needs? I have a mucho bet on Palm and none on MSFT right now.

David T.

P.S. As you can tell from my long response, a boring market day!