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Pastimes : The Consequences of Gun Control -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: WTSherman who wrote (5)	9/14/2000 5:44:56 PM
From: arno	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27

I'm sure that no one reading this thread is actually interested in the facts And by what manner have you determined this? Do you own a gun? If not, are you willing to put a sign on your home or vehicle stating this?

To: WTSherman who wrote (5)	9/14/2000 8:48:16 PM
From: Slugger	Respond to of 27

Here some more statistics from another source: "According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics website, murders have fallen from 312 in 1996 to 284 murders in 1998, after experiencing a slight increase in 1997, from 312 to 321. However, almost every other form of crime in Australia has increased, sometimes dramatically, in the same time period: For instance, since the introduction of Australia's sweeping gun bans, armed robberies rose a whopping 70 percent, from 6,256 in 1996 to 10,850 just two years later. Unarmed robberies also rose by about 20 percent, from just over 10,100 to nearly 13,000 incidents. In addition: Attempted murders rose from 335 in 1996 to 382 in 1998 Manslaughter rose from 38 to 49 Assaults were up from 114,156 to 132,967 Sexual assaults rose slightly, from 14,542 to 14,568 Kidnapping and abductions climbed dramatically, from 480 in 1996 to 662 in 1998 Some other highlights from the 1998 Australian government crime statistics report: Blackmail and extortion went from 268 cases a year to 298 "Unlawful entry with intent (breaking into a home or business) involving the taking of property" rose by 30,000 cases, from 313,902 shortly after the ban was passed to 343,256 cases in 1998 Other "unlawful entry" cases increased during the two-year period from 88,177 to 92,414 "Motor vehicle theft" increased by 8,658 reported cases, and "other theft" rose to 565,214 from 521,762 " worldnetdaily.com

To: WTSherman who wrote (5)	9/14/2000 9:44:12 PM
From: Slugger	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27

And here are the facts straight from the Australian Bureau of Statistics: abs.gov.au!OpenDocument

To: WTSherman who wrote (5)	9/17/2000 10:36:11 PM
From: Slugger	Respond to of 27

Still no response to the facts? Looks to me that gun control has definitely led to an increase in crime. Do you care enough about people to admit that gun control does more harm than good?

To: WTSherman who wrote (5)	9/18/2000 2:16:20 AM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27

WT Thanks for the link and new statistics. Murder by firearm down 30% but overall murder only down 9% (no specific information on what weapon or method was used other than firearm). All other crime including armed robbery shows increase. Is that what you wanted to tell us? Did I miss anything? Gandhi thought the Jews should have committed suicide. All leaders are suspect in the long run.

To: WTSherman who wrote (5)	9/22/2000 12:21:47 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 27

The lesson is that if you are stupid enough to elect a right wing nut you're in big trouble Excuse me Mr. Sherman... but you need to get your political ideologies correct... Hitler was a socialist... In fact, a National Socialist.. hence the pseudo-acronym, NAZI. The Nazis were competitors to the Communists in Weimar Germany... They were for centralized control of the economy as well, but Hitler readily worked with the bankers and large corporate heads in order to consolidate his power first.... Thus, Hitler was a LEFT WING RADICAL.... And we've seen the result of permitting governments to centralize their control of the people and the economy... In fact, go read this, the "black book of communism" if you have any doubts: amazon.com Under communism more people were killed by their own governments than were killed by their enemies during wartime... (ie: Stalin killed more Russians than the Germans did.) And we all know that communists are nothing more than "liberals who are in a hurry"..... <VBG> Something to ponder, Mr. Sherman...