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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (844)	9/14/2000 6:00:26 PM
From: Solon	Respond to of 28931

This man left the ministry to become an atheist. That is a HUGE decision, and a long walk across the floor. Although I am not an atheist (thank you, Greg), I have the utmost respect for the clarity and the courage of those who have thought out their position, and have chosen to stand against the idea of any God whatsoever. infidels.org

To: Solon who wrote (844)	9/14/2000 10:25:16 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Hi Solon Thank you for the link to the review of Ravis book. It took me quite a while to get through it. While I haven't read that book I am very familiar with Ravi and his ministry. I thought the author made a few good points but I he also glossed over or used semantics to avoid addressing many of the problems raised by the book. I don't particularly like labels so I apologize For inferring that you are an atheist since you claim you are not. Perhaps you could elaborate on what you do believe so I won't make that mistake again. I thought the quote was a good one and while it was simple I don't see it as simplistic. It points out the tension implied in trying to derive meaning, purpose, morality and destiny from a meaningless, purposeless, amoral existence that is plummeting towards oblivion. "Atheists, in the name of reason, make many illogical leaps. They must somehow make sense out of a random first cause, express meaningfully all meaninglessness, and then end up making moral denunciations while denying that any moral order actually exists-to say nothing of trying to find security, while telling us that life's destiny is oblivion." Regarding the HUGE decision and long walk that this so called minister made, I don't think it was as far or as huge as you think. Consider his own words; "During this period of my ministry I classed myself as a theological liberal. I was surprised to find so few. I thought that there were more. Though I was known throughout my ministry as a modernist or a liberal I did believe in a god and had a positive message; make no mistake about it. I may have preached a sort of pantheistic God but This God was existent everywhere and he was always available or accessible for he was universal and omnipresent and dwelled within you as well as without you. I taught the divinity of the inner or real self. I theorized that this was the ungrasped misunderstood message of Jesus. I made it a point to avoid the hackneyed language or nomenclature of most preachers." I fail to see that this man had any faith to lose. I will grant him that he did do the logical thing in leaving the ministry. More liberal preachers should be as honest as him. Unfortunately most just use god words to hide their unbelief. 1st John 2: 18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the F4 Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. F5 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also