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To: Rarebird who wrote (58362)	9/19/2000 10:51:15 AM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 116770

<OT You miss the whole point about the fundamental kinship between the Soviet and Nazi varieties of collectivism.> I do not! I feel like 'Aurther, King of the Brittons' in "MontyPython and the Holy Grail"- "shut up, shut up!" This is what we're talking about: Message 14406889 You seem to think all the German soldiers just fell into a crack in the ice and give no credit to the millions of Russians who died, I find that sickening. DAK

To: Rarebird who wrote (58362)	9/19/2000 10:52:28 AM
From: Mike M2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116770

Rarebird, you make many interesting points. I think the argument between you and David stems from his perception that you were bashing the Soviet people rather than their leaders. I understand that you were attacking the sytem and its leaders - not the people. Living under Communist rule does not mean that you believe in the system but one had to play the game or go to Siberia. I think the Soviets suffered the greatest losses of all the combatants. The winter at Stalingrad was a major turning point but millions of Soviets would die on the way to Berlin. I think the Soviets lost 300,000 taking Berlin. Mike