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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rarebird who wrote (717)	9/19/2000 12:16:14 PM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

<<But Bush has no credible plan either to improve the Education system. Both candidates are out in left field in regard to doing what it takes to improve public school education in this country. Bush's plan still keeps the NEA and UFT as strong and as influential as ever. Private school choice is not a real choice given the quality of teachers.>> No, Can't agree, I've met qualified people that would love the overall pay package(bennies + retirememnt + health care) provided to teachers, they just will not work in the teacher's union environment with the Hellions "taught" in the public schools. Many of the school districts in this nation give a very good overall package. While there are some cities & some school districts which don't provide a living wage, that is far from the norm.

To: Rarebird who wrote (717)	9/19/2000 12:23:34 PM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

Truth is we as a nation are spending more per pupil than ever before in history with worse than ever before results. Or class size is smaller than many other times in history which gave better results. Most schools districts manage their money very poorly!

To: Rarebird who wrote (717)	9/19/2000 4:00:54 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10042

Rarebird, I would COMPLETELY DISAGREE about Bush not having a plan to improve education. I happened to catch Dick Cheney's speech on C-Span at Willoughby HS a couple of days ago.. And I have to say that I agreed with everything he stated... The Bush plan is primarily aimed at accountability and testing procedures.. Right now there is no nationwide standard that is enforced for displaying nationwide student aptitude and/progress. Challenging both teachers and student to perform to a certain standard is VITALLY important. And holding school accountable for the performance of their students progress by virtue of the purse strings is key to that. We've learned from the past several decades that throwing money at education, without demanding accountability and performance, is nothing more than a recipe for continued failure. In Washington, DC, I've read that the cost of educating each student is in the range of 7,000/student, the highest cost per student in the nation. Yet, those same students consistently rank in the lower percentages of academic performance. So obviously money is not the issue. Bush also is recommending that schools be held more accountable to individual parents, reinvigorating the influence of the local PTAs over the NEA. There is plenty of money being spent on most educational programs... But we need to emphasize academic achievement over extracurricular programs such as sports... Hold both teachers and student accountable, and reward those who excel while curtailing funds to those that fail... AND PROVIDE PARENTS THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER THEIR CHILDREN FROM THOSE THAT ARE FAILING TO THOSE THAT ARE SUCCEEDING. That's the answer... Work smarter, not harder.. Educational standards have hardly rose since the '60s Rarebird... In fact, I perceive a marked decrease in performance. And no one can tell me that we had more educational resources available before the great society of LBJ.