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To: Machaon who wrote (38794)9/21/2000 11:33:56 AM
From: puborectalis  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Robert,trying to educate these self-righteous holier-than-thou disciples is a waste of time.Now you know why more people over the centuries have died in religious wars than in any geopolitical one.....they also never studied embryology like we did.......they should seek prayer to cure their medical afflictions.



To: Machaon who wrote (38794)9/21/2000 11:39:23 AM
From: PROLIFE  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
You are a habitual liar. no surprise though.

Did you see those DOCTORS say it is NEVER>.....repeat for your blindness....NEVER necessary to do a partial birth abortion....so it is NOT a medical procedure.

Eighty million unwanted pregnancies and 20 million unsafe abortions

Because the UN said it?? lol...let's see you document that loser.

Here again for all to see:

PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS:

MEDICAL NECESSITY?

MEDICAL NONSENSE

"This is medical nonsense. There is nothing gentle about grasping the opening of the womb and thrusting scissors inside to perforate a wiggling head. There is no data or any proposed reliable data to show that this has a lesser incidence of maternal morbidity or mortality than the standard prostoglandin termination. Indeed, any surgeon can tell you that when you put a sharp instrument into a body cavity, there is always the risk of perforating that organ. As an obstetrician, I can testify that this procedure has no medical indication over standard, recognized and tested procedures for terminating a pregnancy. It is a hideous travesty of medical care, and should rightly be banned in this country. Banning this procedure will in mo way compromise the legitimate practice of obstetrics and gynecology."

--Donna Harrison, M.D., FACOG, Chairman, Dept. Of OB/GYN, Lakeland Medical Center, MI

"Partial-birth abortion is not a standard for care for anything. In fact, partial birth abortion is a perversion of a well known technique, internal podalic version, used by obstetricians to deliver breech babies when Wil the intent is to deliver the child alive. However, this technique is rarely used in this country because of the well-known associated risks of maternal hemorrhage and uterine rupture. The 19th edition of Williams Obstetrics states that 'The possibility of serious trauma to the fetus and the mother during internal podalic version of a cephalic presentation is apparent...' Why would a procedure that is the considered to impose a significant risk to maternal health when it is used to deliver a baby alive, suddenly become the 'safe method of choice' when the goal is to kill the baby? In short, there are absolutely no obstetrical situation encountered in this country which require a partially delivered human fetus to be destroyed to preserve the life or health of the mother. When I described the procedure of partial-birth abortion to physicians who I know to be pro-choice, many of them were horrified to learn that such a procedure was even legal."

--Pamela Smith, M.D., FACOG, former Director of Medical Education, Dept. Of OB/GYN, Mt. Siani Medical center, Chicago; Member, Association of Professors of OB/GYN.

"There is simply no data anywhere in the medical literature in regards to the safety of this procedure. There is no peer review or accountability of this procedure. There is no medical evidence that the partial-birth abortion procedure is safer or necessary to provide comprehensive health care for women."

-- Nancy Romer, M.D., FACOG, Clinical Assoc. Professor, Wright State University; Chairman, Dept of OB/GYN., Miami Valley Hospital, OH

"The conversion of a fetus presenting a vertex to a breech position, as in the partial-birth abortion, is capable of causing a abruption of the placenta and amniotic fluid embolism. This is a dangerous and life-threatening situation. Surely, it would not benefit an already sick mother. In the cases where a diagnosis has been made of severe deformities of the fetus, amnioinfusion of prostoglandins and induction of labor is a far safer procedure for the mother and certainly more humane for the fetus. Partial-birth abortion is a major surgery, and is extremely harmful to both mother and child. Never, ever, in our 30 years of practice, have I or my colleagues seen a situation which warrants the implementation of partial-birth abortion. Personally, I cannot imagine why a practitioner would want to resort to such barbaric techniques when other, recognized methods are available."

--Lewis J. Marola, M.D., Chairman, Dept. Of OB/GYN, St. Clare's Hospital, Schenectady, NY

"Partial-birth abortion is a maverick procedure made up maverick doctors. It is actually dangerous to the health of the woman because it involves (a) forcible dilation of the cervix to 5cm over 48 hours by laminaria, risking infection and future cervical incompetence; (b) Instrumentation within the very vascular uterus, without direct visualization, to grab the child's leg -- risking uterine perforation with the instrument; (c) internal podalic version and extraction, a technique abandoned by specialists over 40 years ago because of the danger of uterine rupture; and (d) partially blind and sharp (scissors) instrumentation within the uterus to evacuate the baby's brain, again with the possibility of lacerating the uterus with the scissors or the sharp shards of bone from the baby's skull. These last three procedures all risk peritonitis, or massive hemorrhage, necessitating immediate hysterectomy -- both obvious threats to the fertility and life of the woman. President Clinton has said this procedure is necessary to prevent 'ripping [the mother] to shreds' and to protect future fertility. Both contentions are, of course, incorrect and probably merit the adjective 'absurd.'"

--Joseph L. DeCook, M.D., FACOG

"In the setting of my practice, which is limited to just maternal-fetal medicine [perinatology], all i deal with are women th medical or obstetrical complications of pregnancy, as well as babies that have fetal disabilities. To my knowledge, and in my experience, this particular procedure described as partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to preserve the life or future fertility of the mother, and may in fact threaten her health or well-being or future fertility. In my opinion -- and, I think, in the opinion of the medical literature and other specialists in my field --the fact remains that there are choices and there are alternatives to the partial-birth abortion procedure that do not require the use of what has now been demonstrated as a potentially dangerous and completely unstudied and unnecessary procedure."

-- Curtis Cook, M.D., FACOG, Maternal-Fetal Medicine, Michigan State College of Human Medicine



To: Machaon who wrote (38794)9/21/2000 2:43:44 PM
From: kvkkc1  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769667
 
Someone ought to teach them how to keep their panties on.knc