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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (801)9/23/2000 12:06:50 PM
From: StockDung  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12465
 
TheBigHub Adds Subpoena to Injury September 22, 2000, 11:41 AM PDT (From TheStandard.com)

Investors who discussed the Texas search-engine's falling stock price on a message board face losing their privacy.
By Jim Evans

TheBigHub Adds Subpoena to Injury
(September 22, 2000)
EU strengthens consumers' e-commerce rights
(September 22, 2000)

SEC Tells Teen Trader to Pay Up
(September 20, 2000)

Pitney Bowes Sues Stamps.com
(September 18, 2000)


When Philadelphia businessman Tom Amenta opened his e-mail this week, he got a big surprise from Internet message-board site Raging Bull. In response to a subpoena, the site was about to turn over his personal information to TheBigHub.com, a Texas search-engine company.

Amenta was shocked. Frustrated by the falling stock price, he hadn't posted a message on TheBigHub board since November. Amenta said that since he bought shares in TheBigHub in mid-1999, he has lost $20,000 and has completely washed his hands of the company. The e-mail from Raging Bull left him perplexed.

"I never shorted the stock and I never was a basher," said Amenta, who used the pseudonym "ta1golf" on Raging Bull. "I have one negative post out of 50 or 60, and this happens."

Amenta wasn't the only one contacted. TheBigHub and one of its backers, Robert J. McNulty, both filed suit in August against Raging Bull, parent company AltaVista, three specific Raging Bull posters and anonymous posters "Does 1-50." TheBigHub lawyers didn't return calls to comment.

The complaint? At least in the case of McNulty, he said each separate publication had exposed him to "unwarranted ridicule, contempt, hatred and obloquy."

The McNulty-related cases against Raging Bull and its posters are just the latest in a string of suits that could determine whether message-boards posters have a right to keep their identities hidden. Increasingly, companies and individuals are turning to the courts to expose people who post critical information about them on stock message boards. And there's a growing debate in privacy and legal circles on whether companies should be made to comply with what some are calling obvious methods to stifle the negative remarks.

This week, a Florida appeals court heard arguments in a libel case brought by former Hvide Marine (HMARQ) CEO Erik Hvide against several "Does" who used Yahoo (YHOO) Finance's message boards to post critical missives about the company and the CEO. Originally, a Florida judge ruled that two defendants in the Hvide case could not keep their names secret while challenging the suit. It was one of the first decisions on "cybersmear" cases. Legal scholars say the outcome of the appeal, which could come in a matter of weeks, could determine the precedent for all such cases.

The problem for law enforcement officials is that not everyone uses sites such as Yahoo Finance, Silicon Investor and Raging Bull to post innocent criticism of companies and executives.

On Wednesday, the Security and Exchange Commission announced that it brought charges and settled with 15-year-old Jonathan G. Lebed, who sold micro-cap stocks after touting them in hundreds of posts logged primarily on Yahoo Finance message boards. Lebed agreed to pay $285,000 to the U.S. Treasury.

But not everyone is using the boards for the reasons Lebed used them.

"Someone who has made a fair and legal criticism of a publicly traded company should have a way to have their anonymity protected," says David Sobel, general counsel of the nonprofit Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. "But whether it's a good case or a bad case, the poster has a good chance of having their anonymity removed."

That's certainly true in TheBigHub and McNulty cases. A Raging Bull representative said that while the company won't go into specifics on cases, its policy is to turn over information once the company receives a subpoena. Raging Bull, however, said it alerts the posters that it is about to do so.

Raging Bull, however, is in the clear, according to Sobel. Under the Communications Decency Act, a company is immune from charges brought about from the postings of users on its service.

McNulty is no stranger to courts of law. A longtime Southern California retailing executive, he has been involved in various legal skirmishes and has run into trouble with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In 1994, the SEC ruled that McNulty had defrauded investors by using the proceeds of securities offerings from three companies he headed to finance the operations of affiliated companies.

In 1999, McNulty left the first Web company he founded, Shopping.com, amid an SEC investigation into the manipulation of the company's stock, which had increased more than 250 percent over a few months. While McNulty escaped blame in the SEC's initial ruling (the underwriter was tagged for the manipulation), the case is still open.

In July, his latest endeavor, an affiliate of TheBigHub called TheBigStore.com, was forced into Chapter 7 bankruptcy by its distributors, Ingram Micro (IM) , Ingram Books and Page Digital. TheBigStore is contesting the bankruptcy in court. All told, according to lawsuits and bankruptcy filings, TheBigStore owes about $8.2 million to suppliers, workers and customers.

And that's the rub to investors such as Amenta, who said he believed in the company almost to the very end, only to sell his shares for a loss of $20,000. And now, as the backers and management of TheBigHub feel the squeeze of suppliers and angry investors, they're lashing out at people who at one time wanted to believe. For Amenta, it's a little hard to swallow.

"This is outrageous," he said.

thestandard.com



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (801)9/24/2000 5:38:28 AM
From: EL KABONG!!!  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 12465
 
Well, this one gets my vote for the most foolish reason to get yourself sued... From Canada Stockwatch, courtesy of reporter Brent Mudry...

Consolidated Topper Gold Corp - Street Wire

Cons. Topper yowls over Whiskers and the sausage

Consolidated Topper Gold Corp CSC
Shares issued 1,288,561 Sep 19 close $0.36
Wed 20 Sept 2000 Street Wire

Also Consolidated Grand National Res Inc (CGE)

by Brent Mudry

Consolidated Topper Gold Corp. and Consolidated Grand National Resources
Inc. have filed a defamation suit against Stockhouse Media Corp. over
bizarre and distressing Bullboard chat-site postings. In a statement of
claim filed Tuesday in the Supreme Court of British Columbia, Topper and
Grand National take offence at certain Bullboard commentaries, which were
posted starting some time in August.
While an increasing number of stock chat-site defamation cases have been
launched in both Canada and the United States, the Topper case is believed
to be the first of its kind.
The Stockhouse postings take the nasty and derogatory comments so prevalent
on such chat-sites to a new level. Besides claiming that some people
associated with the companies are "loopy," the mystery poster makes highly
personal attacks and even takes a few pokes at the cat.
In the suit, Vancouver lawyer L. Clive Boulton of DuMoulin & Boskovich
alleges the Stockhouse poster singles out three people associated with
Topper.
According to the suit, the poster claims the first person likes "little
boys and hookers," has to "pay for sex" because he is an "ugly bastard,"
has been a "life long swinger(s)," takes "Viagra," views "child porn
sites," is seeing a psychiatrist and is "heavily medicated most days," and
"likes beastiality (sic)." The poster also claims this person "screwed over
employees, investors and others."
In the suit, Mr. Boulton notes the poster claims the second person has also
been a "life long swinger(s)," "loves other men" and hates the person's
spouse.
The Stockhouse Bullboard comments on the third person are the most graphic
and probably the most upsetting.
The suit notes the Stockhouse poster claims this person "has to pay for
sex," "will be shaving the family cat and then play hide-the-sausage with
Whiskers" and "loves to duct tape his balls to the cat's head and then use
the cat as a weight to increase the size of his penis."
"The plaintiffs state that each and every one of the commentaries referred
to in paragraph 9 above, is false and that they have been maliciously
published by the defendant, so as to cause the plaintiffs harm," states
lawyer Mr. Boulton in the suit.
"As a result of these false, malicious and defamatory commentaries made by
the defendant of the plaintiffs, the plaintiffs have suffered damages and
are unable to cope with the scurrilous, scandalous and false statements
made about them," states the suit.
Mr. Boulton also claims the publication of the libellous Stockhouse
commentaries has brought his clients "into scandal, hatred, ridicule and
contempt."
The suit seeks unspecified general and special damages.
The sole defendant is Stockhouse, and unlike most chat-site suits, the
Topper suit makes no mention of the poster either by on-line name, other
identification or dates of postings.
While the plaintiffs include Topper, Grand National and the three
individuals, Whiskers is not a party to the suit. Mr. Boulton was not
immediately available to discuss Whiskers' role in the matter.
A statement of defence has not yet been filed and no court date has yet
been set for a trial.
(c) Copyright 2000 Canjex Publishing Ltd. stockwatch.com



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (801)9/24/2000 9:42:42 AM
From: ztect  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 12465
 
No harm done by 15-year-old's scheme? Check other investors

Personal Finance | Jeff Brown
Sunday, September 24, 2000
Philadelphia Inquirer

Let's admit it: When we heard about the 15-year-old New Jersey
boy who had taken a bunch of greedy day-traders for more than
a quarter of a million dollars, lots of us had a chuckle.

Clever boy!

We love con artists. Remember Newman and Redford in The Sting?
So we get a kick out of Jonathan G. Lebed, described in various
news accounts last week as a precocious, smart-alecky kid from
Cedar Grove, N.J., who bamboozled untold numbers of older
investors from a computer in his bedroom.

But maybe this kid did more damage than we had thought.

On Wednesday, the Securities and Exchange Commission announced
it had settled a civil fraud charge against Lebed, the first ever
brought against a minor. Without admitting or denying guilt,
Lebed had agreed to hand over $272,826 in illegal profits,
earned in "pump-and-dump" frauds involved in trading 11
stocks from Aug. 23, 1999, when Lebed was 14, to Feb. 4.

The SEC said Lebed used online brokerage accounts to
buy stocks in little-known companies. Then he used a string
of aliases to disseminate hundreds of enthusiastic Internet
postings about the stocks on a number of Yahoo Finance message boards.

After driving the stock prices up, he sold for quick profits
ranging among the 11 cases from $11,000 to $74,000. In one
of the cutest details, the SEC said Lebed had sometimes used
automatic "limit" orders to make sure his profitable bets
were cashed in while he was at school.

But the SEC took notice of the unusual price moves and Lebed's
big bets. The kid was caught, the money repaid. No real harm done.
Not worth ruining the kid's life over, anyway. Case closed.

Well, sure, no one wants to see a 15-year-old boiled in
oil. But isn't there something wrong with this picture? If Lebed had
knocked over an armored car, we would expect him to go to jail,
even if he gave the money back. And this wasn't a momentary lapse
in judgment: It was carefully orchestrated and repeated 11 times.

Stock market scams, alas, rarely result in prison terms.
The SEC doesn't have the authority to file criminal charges,
and prosecutors shy away from nonviolent cases that are hard to win.
Stock fraud is difficult to explain to juries, and criminal
intent in such crimes is hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

The SEC's civil settlement with Lebed follows a standard form.
He merely promises not to do it again, and "disgorges" the
illegal profits. Of course, he might have a time explaining
this to a college admissions officer.

Some of his victims, however, might not put this behind them
so easily. Despite the settlement, they won't be made whole.

The disgorged funds are likely to end up in the U.S. Treasury,
not back in accounts of defrauded investors, says Ronald C. Long,
administrator of the SEC's Philadelphia district office, which
investigated the case. It probably would be too hard to determine
just which investors had actually been led astray by
Lebed's messages, Long said.

Beyond that, the $285,000, which includes interest, probably
wouldn't go very far. The real loss to investors was probably
much higher - probably in the millions.

Take just one of the 11 cases, as described by the SEC. Lebed
bought 18,000 shares of Man Sang Holdings Inc. on Jan. 5 at prices
ranging from $1.375 to $2. After he posted a slew of messages
predicting the Hong Kong pearl distributor's stock would zoom
to $20 "very soon," the price more than doubled the next day,
peaking at $4.69. Lebed immediately sold, making just under
$35,000 on his 18,000 shares.

But his trades were just a drop in the bucket. Nearly 1.1 million
Man Sang shares traded on Jan. 6 at the higher prices produced by
Lebed's postings. That compares with 100 shares that traded on
Dec. 30, a week before the scam, at around $1.125.

Many of the sellers in the Jan. 6 transactions undoubtedly made
killings as unwitting beneficiaries of Lebed's manipulation. But
the buyers suffered deep losses. Even if all of those 1,074,900 shares
had been bought at the day's lowest price of $3.125, investors would
have lost well over $1 million by the time the price fell back to
around $2 a week later. (The stock now trades around $1.50.)

Man Sang is just one of the 11 stocks Lebed manipulated, so
it's easy to imagine that, all told, investors lost millions.

The most unusual feature of this case, of course, is Lebed's
age at the time of the trading. How could a 14-year-old manage all this?

According to the SEC's Long, Lebed traded through a custodial
account set up for him by his father. Long says no law prohibits
children from trading. And although brokerages require that trade
orders in these minor's accounts be submitted by adults, there's
no way the brokerage can know who's pressing the
keys when an online order comes in.

Long adds that Lebed's legal violations occurred not in the
brokerage account, but in the Internet postings, which, as we
all know, are wide open to children.

There was no evidence the father knew about the son's board
messages, though Lebed senior did know his son was racking
up big trading gains, Long said. The SEC concluded that the father
was not at fault. At a time when parents have been prosecuted
for letting their kids get hold of guns, shouldn't they be
held accountable as enablers of Internet stock fraud?

So has justice been served? Given the damage done, the settlement
seems to let Lebed and his dad off pretty easy. But stay tuned.
Stock-manipulation cases can lead to criminal charges if a state
or federal prosecutor is so inclined.

And there's always the chance of a suit by defrauded investors.
There are sure to be a lot of folks who see this as much
more than teenage shenanigans.

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