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To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/23/2000 2:01:54 PM
From: Paullie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57584
 
Rande,

Some thoughts on AMD.

It sounds as if we have a consensus that AMD is poised for a move.

INTC is currently valued at $321B and has over $30B in revenue.

AMD has a market cap in the neighborhood of $8B and has just over $2B in revenue.

That is a price to sales of about 11 (INTC) compared to 2 (AMD) and a PE of about 50 (INTC) compared to 23 (AMD).

Now, one thing that I am lacking in my knowledge (DD) of the two companies is the technology comparison. However, right now, the name of the game is growth and INTC revenues will not grow as expected. So far, all signs point to continued positive growth for AMD. IMO, the technology aspects are very similar - so similar that I feel it is really negligible from the perspective of gaining market share.

Remember, many times the initial industry giant is not the winner in the long run. My knowledge of the semi conductor industry and the two companies in general is too rudimentary for me to suggest that AMD will someday overtake INTC. ---

- However, I am posing this question to the thread and would like to hear both sides: Does AMD have what it takes to gain more than 50% market share, say in the next 5 years?

Many, many factors go into attempting to answer such a question. But for those of us who recognize an $8B company with $2B in revenue and profit growth of 21% over the next 5 years as a tremendous opportunity, we need to consider such a possibility.

Regardless of your opinion on the above question, I think that most of us agree that at $8B, AMD could represent anything from a 2 to a 20 bagger in the next year or two!

Paullie



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/23/2000 3:10:06 PM
From: charlie mcgeehan  Respond to of 57584
 
rande

good post. i post on THE THREAD and lurk here and on a few others. the common theme that interests me is intelligent discussion of market direction and accompanying ta. the softechies of the world don't bother me much as their motives are usually clear. it is however important to continue discussions about the street.com and barrons and their like as the professional way they conduct their business often clouds the picture of their true intentions.

its always a pleasure to read your views.

charlie



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/23/2000 3:31:16 PM
From: Trumptown  Respond to of 57584
 
That was the most polite and eloquent "get the *&%# out of here!!" I've seen in a long time...

As far as Cramer goes, he's been a contrary indicator much more often than he's been right...

Well done!
SR



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/23/2000 5:42:39 PM
From: Techplayer  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57584
 
Rande, Excellent post. I have challenged techie's "research" a couple of times recently and have yet to uncover any compelling evidence that the event in question will happen. I suspect the latter to be true in actuality. Excellent thread. regards, tp



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/23/2000 7:57:51 PM
From: Rande Is  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 57584
 
OT> . . . An Off-Topic Comment. . . .

I very much dislike flaming people. That is why I gave our offender so many chances to fall into line and stop being a cheerleader and a doomsdayer . . . or to at least answer some questions as to what his views truly were. . .as I offered.. . and was refused.

Now some of you can put up with it. . .or just not let it bother you, etc. But between my mailbox and my SI Private Message inbox, I have never received MORE complaints about any one poster since I started this thread. Granted that may simply be due to the larger population we have now.

But consider this. Each time I must drop what I am doing to write a post to get someone into line.. . or do some DD to prepare further action, I am distracted from my trading. It wastes my time. It takes away from our VIEWING of the market. And ultimately it hurts all of our bottom lines.

As I've said before, countless opportunities have passed my by, due to the time I take answering questions, posting and researching. And I gladly accept the responsibility with the job.

However, when it is unnecessary. . .or in the case of our latest offender, pre-meditated, spiteful and vengeful. . . then I move into protection mode. . . .and am not as understanding or accepting of the behavior. Eventually you get a post like you saw today.

As hard as each one of you work to provide the most pertinent up-to-the-second information possible to this thread, one would think that newcomers would be more respectful. I will not have disrespect here, anymore than I will tolerate "stock call cannibalism" or other such selfish acts. . . it is hard enough to win the war against the enemy. . .we don't need the added stress of watching our backs for friendly fire.

Rande Is



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/24/2000 10:42:52 AM
From: Softechie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57584
 
CS to report earnings on 9/25 (Monday) and RBAK to report earnings on 10/11 (Wednesday). The main thing is Redback. I think their revenue projection is will be down for 2001. It should give you a trend of what other net equipment issues are doing. CS already said it ain't doing well. Here's news from Dow Jones (may it's more credible than Crammer's site).

Mixed Results Seen For Network Equipment Makers CSCO

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=DJ Mixed Results Seen For Network Equipment Makers >CSCO

22 Sep 14:16


By Peter Loftus
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Data network equipment makers should post mixed
third-quarter results, with some benefiting from the growth of the Internet
while other firms struggled through internal restructurings.

Market leader Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) and upstarts like Juniper Networks
Inc. (JNPR) should post strong growth in sales and profits for the quarter. In
particular, Cisco should benefit from a surge in spending on corporate networks
as well as solid growth in Internet backbone business.

But mid-tier players 3Com Corp. (COMS) and Cabletron Systems Inc. (CS) are
expected to post losses on declining revenue as they continue to shift gears.

In recent years, many networking companies have capitalized on the growth of
the Internet by selling products to telecommunications carriers and Internet
service providers, collectively called the carrier segment. Cisco is perhaps
the most dramatic example of this, having successfully added fast-growing
carrier sales to its core business of selling products to corporate customers,
known as the enterprise market.

Investors in networking companies have largely focused on the big growth
potential in the carrier market, with the enterprise segment being pushed to
the sidelines. But more recently, some networking firms have seen renewed
growth in enterprise sales. Large companies continue to upgrade their networks
to make sure they are taking full advantage of the Internet. Small and
medium-sized businesses realize that information-based networks are essential
to doing business in the New Economy.

"There is a continued demand pull in the enterprise segment," said B.

Alexander Henderson, analyst with Salomon Smith Barney. "It's an area that
people took their eyes off, but it's accelerating sharply."
Previously, many companies had deferred spending onnetwork gear because they
were busy preparing for the Year 2000 computer bug. The subsequent passing of
the New Year without a hitch freed up money for network projects, Henderson
said.

Indeed, total market sales of switches used primarily in corporate networks
rose 5% in each of the first two quarters of 2000, according to Dell'Oro Group,
a Portola Valley, Calif., research firm. The rise followed flat sales growth in
each the last two quarters of 1999, said Dell'Oro analyst Greg Collins.

Dell'Oro hasn't completed estimates of third-quarter switch sales.

Cisco, of San Jose, Calif., stands to be the biggest beneficiary of the surge
in enterprise sales, partly because some of its rivals have backed away from
the market. In the quarter ended July 31, Cisco saw sales to small- and
medium-sized businesses rise 40% from the previous quarter. Henderson doesn't
expect an increase that big for the quarter ending Oct. 31, but the gains
should be healthy, he said.

Strong growth in Cisco's enterprise division is important because the segment
comprises about half of Cisco's overall revenue. Still, Henderson expects Cisco
to post strong growth in service provider sales, which now account for about
40% of sales.

Overall, Cisco's sales in its first quarter ending Oct. 31 should rise 62% to
$6.3 billion from $3.88 billion a year ago, Henderson said. He predicted the
company would earn 17 cents a share, excluding one-time items, compared with 12
cents a share a year earlier. Cisco expects to report results Nov. 6.

Two rivals that once went head-to-head with Cisco are now going through
substantial restructurings that will hamper quarterly results. In Rochester,
N.H., Cabletron is poised to spin off four units into separately publicly
traded companies, a plan announced in February. It filed Monday for an initial
public offering of the first unit, Riverstone Networks, which makes switch
routers and Web switches for Internet serviceproviders.

Cabletron's change in direction will result in lower sales and profits for
its last quarter. Clifton Gray, analyst with Kaufman Brothers L.P., estimated
Cabletron lost 3 cents a share for its second quarter ended Aug. 31, compared
with earnings of 7 cents a share a year ago.

Gray estimated Cabletron's sales fell 35% to $233.5 million in the second
quarter from $356.6 million a year earlier. The company's Enterasys unit, which
sells switches to enterprises, will contribute the largest portion to overall
revenue, at $185 million, Gray predicted.

While Cabletron's revenues have fallen, Gray believes the company made a good
decision to discontinue certain product lines because it can now focus on
high-growth business areas. Cabletron is scheduled to report results Monday.

3Com, Santa Clara, Calif., is also going through some changes. In July, the
company completed the spinoff of one of its fastest-growing units, Palm Inc.

(PALM). 3Com also has exited the analog computer-modem business and no longer
sells network products to large businesses. Like Cabletron, 3Com also intends
to focus on high-growth segments of the market.

"We're not expecting a lot of growth this quarter," David Toung, analyst with
Argus Research, said of 3Com.

Robertson Stephens analyst Paul Johnson estimated 3Com's sales fell 34% to
$800 million in its first quarter ended Aug. 31 from $1.21 billion a year
earlier. He estimated the company lost 30 cents a share, reversing year-earlier
earnings of 31 cents a share. 3Com is slated to release results Tuesday.

Juniper Networks, Mountain View, Calif., continues to be one of the hottest
of a new class of networking companies that have gone public in the last 15
months. Other hot upstarts focusing on various niches of the marketplace
include Foundry Networks Inc. (FDRY) and Sycamore Networks Inc. (SCMR).

In the second quarter ended June 30, Juniper grabbed some market share from
Cisco in the Internet core router market, which involves sales of high-speed
routers to service providers. Juniper had 22.4% of the market, compared with
75.4% for Cisco, according to Dell'Oro Group. Analysts say Juniper is likely to
gain further market share, eventually stabilizing around 30% of the market.

Nikos Theodosopoulos, analyst with UBS Warburg, estimated Juniper will post
earnings of 9 cents a share for its third quarter ended Sept. 30, compared with
a loss of 1 cent a share a year ago. He expects revenue to rise 392% to $145.8
million from $29.6 million a year ago. Juniper expects to report results Oct.

12.

-By Peter Loftus, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-5267;
peter.loftus@dowjones.com

(END) DOW JONES NEWS 09-22-00
02:16 PM



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/24/2000 11:06:09 AM
From: Softechie  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57584
 
Don't want to mess up your thread's objective but just want to bring another perspective into the mix. Hopefully "individual investors" who read this thread can see both point of views and not a rosy one.

Are you willing to say to buy net equipment issues at this point?



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/24/2000 11:09:58 AM
From: Softechie  Respond to of 57584
 
Here's an article on Barron's: Buying Growth On the Dips

SEPTEMBER 19, 2000

Buying Growth On the Dips
Investment Philosophy

By Lawrence Strauss

Favorite Stocks | Performance Snapshot | Top Holdings

When Barron's Online last interviewed Ronald Ognar of Strong Growth Fund 18 months ago (see Electronic Q&A, "Bargain Hunting In a Ritzy Neighborhood," March 30, 1999), the portfolio manager had loaded up on such technology bellwethers as America Online and Cisco Systems. These days, AOL is out of the portfolio but Cisco remains. Still betting heavily on tech stocks (the fund remains overweighted there), Ognar has broadened the fund's holdings, venturing into energy, retailers and financial services stocks. The upshot: Strong Growth has garnered a total return of 14.4% this year, vs. minus 1.68% for the S&P 500. That puts it in the top 11% of Morningstar's large-cap growth category. It also ranks highly among its peers based on three- and five-year returns. A self-described bottom-up investor, Ognar also pays attention to a stock's technicals. "We want the right formations," he observes. Ognar, who has run the fund for nearly seven years, holds an undergraduate degree in accounting from the University of Illinois.


Barron's Online: How would you sum up your stock-picking style these days?
Ognar: I really think that we hit the high-water mark on P/E ratios last April. Since then, I've been trying to buy cheaper stocks, more diversified and cheaper, and I'm looking for stocks that are showing continued good earnings and revenue and accelerating margins -- something that's fresher these days.
I'm looking for the tech stocks that have come down and money's going to flow into them. I'm looking for stocks when they back off 20% -- then I'm interested again.

Q: How else have you changed your approach?
A: You don't have to be in just 25 names [anymore.] You've got to be broader, and you've got to have some discipline. When stocks are cheap, you buy them and when they get expensive you look somewhere else. You stay flexible. Those are the things that I'm concentrating on. A year or two ago, [the portfolio] was more concentrated. We were building positions and avoiding everything else.
Now I'm going the other way. I want have to have more mid-cap names vs. big cap names. I want to have more [stocks that are a] little cheaper.

Q: But putting the growth-at-a-reasonable price label on your fund wouldn't be accurate, would it?
A: No. What's a reasonable price any more? That's a term we used easily five, seven years ago because everything was selling at [its] growth rate. Now, the good stocks sell at two to three times their growth rate. Some of them that might be cheap with big acceleration ahead of them. For others, the acceleration is behind them.

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Strong Growth Fund
(Top 10 Holdings as of August 31, 2000)

Company Ticker
Juniper Networks JNPR
Cisco Systems CSCO
JDS Uniphase JDSU
SDL SDLI
Applied Micro Circuits AMCC
Kohl's Corporation KSS
Corning GLW
PMC-Sierra PMCS
PE Biosystems PEB
Citigroup C

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Q: How much attention do you pay to stock charts?
A: A lot, because I think the chart gives you your first warning or indication of what fundamentals might be occurring. You don't want to do everything on charts. But I look at charts constantly. We want the right formations. We want 200-day moving average going up. If [a stock's chart is going down,] I don't own [it.] The reason for that is money is flowing out. Then you will find out six months later why money was flowing out.

Q: As far as broadening the portfolio, what are some examples?
A: We put semiconductors in that class and oil-service stocks [and] some of the financials.

Q: Have you lightened up on tech this year?
A: We lightened and then came back in when they sold off and bought some more. And then in the last month or so, I have been lightening again. You tend to buy one, sell one.

Q: It sounds like you are a little more cautious about tech stocks right now.
A: I think in September you have to be, always. They tend to [hit] lows in September and early October. We are now getting technical signals that they are maybe washed out here, and deserve a technical bounce. And then we will see how far they can go again. I think you have to own tech long term.

Q: As far as the stocks we talked about 18 months ago, Kohl's has been a home run, Cisco has more than doubled and Home Depot is up about 30%, split adjusted. On the other hand, AOL has lost about 25% of its market value, adjusting for splits, Lowe's Companies is off about 20% and New Era of Networks has dropped from north of 70 to the high-20s.
A: As for the office retailers, we started accumulating them again. We are still not up to [a] maximum position.

Q: For Home Depot?
A: Yes. No problems with earnings, no problems with revenues. It is just that the group went soft. And people were selling them, mainly, I think, because interest rates were running up.

Q: What about Lowe's -- same thing?
A: Same thing.

Q: And Cisco?
A: We still hold Cisco. We've trimmed it marginally so that we are market weighted [in the stock]. We still love the company. Their earnings are dramatic. Everything is going well. The problem as we see it is that everybody owns it. So, what we have been doing [since] over a year ago is going to Juniper Networks, which is in the same business, but a younger company. And we think between those two companies, they are taking most of the market share.

Performance Snapshot
(Total Return as of September 15, 2000)

Year-to-date 1-year 3-year* 5-year*
Strong Growth Fund 14.41% 73.57% 35.70% 30.16%
S&P 500 -1.68% 12.54% 18.41% 22.25%

Source: Morningstar
*annualized



To: Rande Is who wrote (36018)9/25/2000 8:43:52 AM
From: JLS  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57584
 
Rande, looking at the COMPX chart in IBC this weekend, the September selloff is following the July pattern TO THE DAY and almost to the same level of top and bottom give or take 30-40 points, which is something that I saw four days into the selloff. You can count nine days of selling in July, four days of basing and one more dramatic day of selling and recovery on higher volume. September mirrors this action, except for taking one day of selling off on Labor Day. It's uncanny. So if we are following some type of pre-ordained patter, we get back to business and look to take on 4250 within a few weeks. IMO, Julie