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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (124839)	9/26/2000 2:44:15 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574267

I only accuse you of being self righteous when you're being self righteous, T. Anyway, that particular 870 doesn't seem to have anything to do with Willy, since Willy isn't MP. I take it that the 870 isn't the so-called "brookdale" that's going to go with the .13um, 50-extra-pin Willy. And to state the obvious, yes, an agreement that was on file at the time of the Rambus IPO was before Feb. 17, 2000. Who knows, I guess server applications don't count as "PC main memory". The same chipset supporting RDRAM and DDR is a pretty interesting concept, though. Wanna give us a pin count on that one?

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (124839)	9/26/2000 3:43:02 PM
From: jcholewa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574267

> Dan, <SEC filings usually aren't considered rumors. If you want to explain what has transpired since then, feel free> > Was that thing filed before February 17, 2000? Here's an article talking about Intel's 870 chipset: > eet.com > Intel's 870 chip set will support both Direct Rambus and DDR memory, Rattner said. Allegedly, the agreement between Intel and Rambus grants Intel a certain number of warrants (something extravagant ... was it on the order of ten million?) if Intel satisfies a certain number of conditions. I think one of the conditions was that Intel could not market SDRAM above Rambus -- eg, they had to position Rambus as their higher end product. Don't quote me on that, though. :) Okay, I did a little bit of checking. Below is an article which makes both your point and Dan's point accurate. techweb.com "Intel might be able to market its own DDR chip set for servers under its Rambus agreement, which bars the company from offering double data rate support specifically for PCs" Essentially (and this has been stated or implied in other places, other articles, and soforth), Intel can freely make chipsets supporting DDR SDRAM for servers, and they can make chipsets supporting SDR (Single Data Rate) SDRAM for PCs and servers. They are probably blocked from making DDR SDRAM chipsets for PCs, and in order to claim their warrants they have to (I think) have DRDRAM infiltrating a certain percentage of memory sales for the PC market (or something like that) by 2002 or 2003 or some other specified future date (the techweb article mentions 2003, but as I personally haven't looked at the agreement recently, I don't want to put specifics that might be untrue). The agreement itself. Hmmm.... I know he's a bit ... controversial on the whole subject, but you can find an unmodified copy, or at least a series of nearly complete verbatim quotes, at Tom Pabst's site (www.tomshardware.com). I cannot access his domain right now, so I cannot tell you where it is more specifically. -JC PS: About a year ago I wrote an amazingly erroneous article on Rambus memory (this was before, for instance, I knew that DRDRAM pushed data at twice the rate of its operating clock frequency). I recall you took particular affront to it. I know it's a bit late, but I offer my apologies for that and I will let you know that the article was in fact vaporized from my website a mere few hours after its inception.