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To: FastC6 who wrote (39935)	9/26/2000 11:05:48 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

The ACLU is after the Boy Scouts here in Orange County, CA. ocregister.com ACLU opposes Scouts' use of county land SOCIAL ISSUES: Supervisors are warned not to give lease to group that bans gay members. September 26, 2000 By CHRIS REED The Orange County Register The American Civil Liberties Union is threatening to sue the county if the Board of Supervisors decides tonight to extend the Boy Scouts of America's free lease for the Sea Base facility in Newport Bay. Scouts have operated and maintained a marine-education and recreation camp on the county tidelands site since the late 1930s. More than 27,000 youths used the camp in 1999. Now Scout leaders are planning a $3.5 million upgrade. Before they begin work, they want a 30-year extension of their current lease, which expires in 2009. But ACLU attorney Martha Matthews said Monday that the county could not legally provide a taxpayer-funded benefit to a private organization that asserted its right to ban gay members on religious grounds. State and federal law preclude the county from helping a group that "insists on discriminating," Matthews said. Local Scout leaders could not be reached for comment late Monday. But Supervisor Tom Wilson, whose district includes the camp, said the ACLU was unlikely to sway the board. Citing the planned improvements, Wilson said the Scouts weren't exploiting the county. And he said the Sea Base was open to all groups and was frequently used by non-Scouts. The ACLU has long targeted Scouts' use of public property. But since a Supreme Court ruling in June upholding the organization's right to ban gay Scoutmasters, the ACLU and gay-rights activists have used the decision to argue that Scouts want to be treated like a private group when it comes to internal practices and like a public group when it comes to "government freebies." "The Boy Scouts can't have it both ways," said Tricia Aynes of the Gay and Lesbian Center of Orange County. Last month, citing the high court's ruling, the ACLU sued San Diego over Scouts' use of city property in Balboa Park. READER POLL: Should the county extend the Boy Scouts' lease in light of the Boy Scouts' ban on gay members? Local News 3

To: FastC6 who wrote (39935)	9/27/2000 1:44:07 AM
From: Mr. Whist	Respond to of 769667

Re: "Hey Flapper do you want your grandson to camp out with his gay scoutmaster?" I don't have any grandchildren. My son, now 17, was in Cub Scouts for about five years. We went on several overnight camp-outs about eight-nine years ago. Rules were very strict. Kids slept in two- or three-person tents with one or two other boys ... same age ... their pals ... never with strange kids. Or the kid slept in same tent with his father or mother. (A lot of kids in my son's Cub pack just had single mothers.) Under no circumstances was an adult allowed to share the same tent with a boy that was not his or her son. For what it's worth, a lot of Cub Scout troops now are run by women. And they do a wonderful job.

To: FastC6 who wrote (39935)	9/27/2000 1:45:32 AM
From: Mr. Whist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Re: "Hey Flapper do you want your grandson to camp out with his gay scoutmaster?" I ain't got no damn grandkids. I ain't that old. My son, now 17, was in Cub Scouts for about five years. We went on several overnight camp-outs about eight-nine years ago. Rules were very strict. Kids slept in two- or three-person tents with one or two other boys ... same age ... their pals ... never with strange kids. Or the kid slept in same tent with his parent, either mail or female. Under no circumstances was an adult allowed to share the same tent with a boy that was not his or her son. For what it's worth, a lot of Cub Scout troops now are run by women.