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To: Rarebird who wrote (59010)9/27/2000 3:53:38 PM
From: lorne  Respond to of 116756
 
Rarebird. I read all your posts ( a lot have nothing to do with gold )and I read John's posts and I don't recall him being insulting to you although I could be mistaken.
So IMO this was not deserved. " John, I think your a joke and offer no insight. Just Hype and BS.

You talk garbage and trash. That is all your good for. "

He is entitled to post his opinions on this thread and
hey what the heck he may be correct.



To: Rarebird who wrote (59010)9/27/2000 4:19:32 PM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116756
 
OT
Oh, I'm sorry, he might be lying at any give moment about anything:
September 26, 2000

Gore's reserve boast draws renewed fire
By Donald Lambro
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Al Gore's tendency to exaggerate his role in government came under renewed fire yesterday from the Bush campaign and energy experts who said his claim that he helped establish the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is a fairy tale. Related Articles
"To say that he was involved in the creation of the nation's petroleum reserve is just factually not true. He's becoming the Hans Christian Andersen of American politics," said Dan Sullivan, a spokesman for George W. Bush, the Republican presidential nominee.
"There's definitely a pattern to embellish or exaggerate or make up facts," Mr. Sullivan said.
In the aftermath of the Clinton administration's decision to sell 30 million barrels of oil from the SPR, Mr. Gore defended the action last Friday, saying that he was in on the ground floor when the nation's defense-related Strategic Petroleum Reserve was established by Congress in 1975.
"I've been part of the discussion on the Strategic Petroleum Reserve since the days it was first established," Mr. Gore told reporters.
The Gore campaign said over the weekend, when the controversy over Mr. Gore's statement first erupted, that Mr. Gore was in Congress when the oil reserves were being filled and he was a member of a key committee with oversight of the project.
Gore campaign spokesman Kym Spell said the Strategic Petroleum Reserve was authorized in 1975 but was not funded until two years later, when Gore worked on the project as a member of a House Commerce subcommittee on energy.
In fact, after the oil storage reserve was authorized and signed into law in 1975 — two years before Mr. Gore was in Congress — it was being filled with oil by the middle of 1977, about five months after he became a member of the House of Representatives.
Energy experts said yesterday that Mr. Gore could not have played any role in the establishment or development of the oil reserve at that point because $760 million had already been appropriated and spent to build the storage facilities and they were in the process of being filled a few months after he was sworn into office.
"It was in the original 1975 legislation to fill it up by 1 billion barrels of oil, and they started filling it on July 21, 1977," said Ed Porter an energy analyst at the American Petroleum Institute.
Other independent analysts also maintained yesterday that Mr. Gore's claim was not true.
"It's just another one of his wonderful fantasy exaggerations," said Angela Antonelli, director of economic policy at the Heritage Foundation.
"The need and the purpose of the petroleum reserve was established before Gore was in Congress," she said. "And regardless what he claims now about the purposes of the petroleum reserve, he stands alone in his attempt to justify this new use of the reserve, which he now claims to make up by asserting, apparently falsely, that he was there at its creation."
Mr. Gore made his claim when he was defending President Clinton's decision to begin selling oil from the reserve in an effort to reduce oil prices — rejecting arguments by critics that the reserve was set up for strategic purposes only, not to regulate prices.
The Web site for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve program makes no claims that the program was created to regulate prices and instead calls it "the nation's first line of defense against an interruption in petroleum supplies" and "a significant deterrent to oil import cutoffs and a key tool of foreign policy."
Mr. Bush called the administration's decison to sell off part of the reserve "a political decision" to gain some reduction in oil prices to help Mr. Gore in the final weeks of the presidential campaign.
The Bush campaign stepped up their criticism of the decision yesterday when Colin Powell, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a key Bush adviser, also accused the administration of abusing the strategic reserve for political purposes.
At a news conference yesterday in Richmond, Gen. Powell said Mr. Clinton's decision was politically motivated. "I don't think any decision one could take would not have a political coloration," he said.
With the latest opinion polls showing Mr. Bush's numbers rising and Mr. Gore's falling, Republicans aggressively attacked Mr. Gore's latest statement on the reserve, calling it "another in a long line of exaggerations" and false assertions by the Democratic nominee.
The Republican National Committee dug out and circulated several statements over the weekend by people who have questioned Mr. Gore's honesty in the past.
One statement circulated by the RNC quoted Kathleen Hall Jamieson, the dean of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School of Communications, who earlier this year questioned Mr. Gore's honesty.
"Is there a tendency to exaggerate? Is there a tendency to reconstruct the past? When you start counting on the fingers of both hands, you start to say maybe there's a pattern here," she said in an interview with the Boston Globe last April.
Mr. Gore's claim about his role in the petroleum reserve comes after two weeks of statements that raised similar questions about his credibility.
In one episode he claimed that his mother-in-law paid three times as much for her arthritis prescription drug than Mr. Gore paid for the same drug that his dog takes. It turned out that his numbers were lifted whole from a House Democratic study and that he could not substantiate his story.
Last week he maintained that the union song "Look For The Union Label" was sung to him as a child as a lullaby when, in fact, the TV jingle came out in 1975 when he was 27.
"His lying looks at this point not like a foible but a compulsion," Republican speech writer Peggy Noonan wrote yesterday in an op-ed article in the Wall Street Journal.
washtimes.com



To: Rarebird who wrote (59010)9/27/2000 10:19:47 PM
From: russet  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116756
 
I like this guy (gggggggggggggg).

Book uncovers Fed chairman's quirky past

MARTIN CRUTSINGER
Canadian Press
WASHINGTON (AP) - As a young man, decked out in a canary yellow jacket, he blew a mean saxophone in jazz clubs around the country. Now the world knows Alan Greenspan as the ever-serious Federal Reserve chairman who has attained near cult status for shepherding the U.S. economy through its longest expansion in history. He is often called the second most powerful man in the government.

The first biography of the 74-year-old chairman traces how Greenspan, raised in poverty by a single mother, transformed himself from nerdy economic thinker to indispensable adviser to five presidents.

New York writer Justin Martin said he was driven to write Greenspan: The Man Behind Money by the sense that Greenspan has led a fascinating private life. The book, published by Perseus Publishing, will be out in November.

"I just knew there had to be a story there," Martin said.

Martin interviewed 250 of Greenspan's friends, from elementary school classmates to Greenspan's ex-wife and his current wife, NBC newswoman Andrea Mitchell. The book is not an authorized biography, but the Federal Reserve said Greenspan and Fed staffers helped Martin check his facts.

Greenspan grew up in his grandparent's cramped one-bedroom apartment in New York, where his mother Rose had moved after divorcing Greenspan's father, Herbert, when Greenspan was five.

The precocious Greenspan would sing the Depression-era anthem "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" to get spare change from his uncle and would add up three-digit numbers in his head to impress guests.

At nine, Greenspan read Recovery Ahead, a book his absent father, a sometime economic consultant, had written in praise of President Franklin Roosevelt's economic programs.

In an inscription, the father expressed the hope that his son "may look back and endeavour to interpret the reasoning behind these logical forecasts and begin a like work of your own."

In school, Greenspan's real love was music. He enrolled at Julliard School of Music, aiming for a career as a professional musician. But he grew restless and left school to tour in Henry Jerome's dance band, pulling down $62 US a week by playing tenor saxophone, clarinet and occasionally the flute.

"Alan was good, although he wasn't primarily a jazz player," Jerome told Martin. "I hired him because he was an excellent musician, but I didn't use him as an improviser."

Greenspan did the band's books and helped band members with their taxes. He came to recognize that he had too little musical talent and left the band after a year to pursue his other passion, numbers. He earned an undergraduate degree in economics in 1948.

It took another 29 years for him to earn a doctorate. New York University awarded it in 1977 based on Greenspan's off-and-on pursuit of the degree and a collection of his writings, including the annual economic report of the president prepared when Greenspan was chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Ford. Greenspan never finished his dissertation.

While Greenspan's first marriage, to Joan Mitchell, an art history student from Canada, ended after just 10 months, the two remained close.

It was through his ex-wife that Greenspan was drawn into the circle of Ayn Rand, controversial author of The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Rand's followers, known as Objectivists, were intense believers in Rand's celebration of rugged individualism and the triumph of capitalism over socialism.

Rand at first derided Greenspan as "the undertaker" for his preference for somber suits, but in time he was admitted to her inner circle.

While many liberals viewed Objectivists as an odd cult, Greenspan never disavowed his friendship with Rand, explaining that he was grateful to her for opening his eyes to the moral dimension of capitalism.

A chance encounter in the 1960s with an old jazz band buddy, Leonard Garment, launched Greenspan, by now a successful economic consultant, onto a career as an adviser to presidents.

Garment recruited Greenspan for the 1968 presidential campaign of Garment's law partner, Richard Nixon. Greenspan turned down the chance to join the Nixon administration as budget director, explaining later that he and Nixon "never really got along very well together."

After Nixon's resignation, Greenspan became Ford's economic chief. They developed a close relationship, although his government debut resulted in his biggest public gaffe.

During a summit on inflation, Greenspan, seeking to defend Ford's policies, said, "If you really wanted to examine who percentage-wise is hurt the most in their incomes, it is the Wall Street brokers."

Greenspan was quick to recover from the uproar, which included mock "Save Our Brokers" groups being formed around the country. "Obviously, the poor are suffering more," he contritely told Congress.

As chairman of the Federal Reserve, Greenspan has never repeated such a blunder. Instead, during 13 years at the helm, Greenspan is now known as a master of obfuscation.

Selected quotes from Greenspan: The Man Behind Money, a biography of Alan Greenspan being published next month by Perseus Publishing:

- "Don't worry . . . It's all up here." - Greenspan's 1970 remark, accompanied by a tapping of his forehead, in an effort to reassure a worried co-worker as fire engulfed the New York City skyscraper where he had just moved his economic consulting firm. The blaze served as inspiration for Towering Inferno, a Hollywood movie starring Paul Newman and Steve McQueen.

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- "All the time that we were living in this duplex, the couple living beneath us was screaming and yelling. They never lowered their voice to a normal level. We never had a harsh word. We just decided it would be better to part." - Joan Mitchell Blumenthal, Greenspan's first wife.

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- "He asked me whether I would like a large wedding or a small wedding." - NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell, describing how Greenspan proposed to her after they dated for more than a decade.

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- "I think that if the interest rates had been lowered more dramatically that I would have been re-elected president, because the recovery that we were in would have been more visible. I reappointed him, and he disappointed me." - Former President George Bush, blaming Greenspan for his 1992 defeat in an interview with David Frost that was broadcast in 1998.

© The Canadian Press, 2000



To: Rarebird who wrote (59010)9/28/2000 12:25:48 AM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116756
 
OT
btw,
If your Mr. Gore is elected then you should be considering silver before or instead of gold, IMHO. the impact of the environmental changes will bring about a greatly increased demand.