To: alydar who wrote (50125 ) 9/27/2000 8:14:00 PM From: rudedog Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74651 Bob - as a SUNW investor, I am pretty familiar with their roadmap. And you are on very thin ice with your "believe that crap" comment. I assume you saw siliconinvestor.com Do you think HP is just a bunch of jokers who don't understand the high end? Or, as you say, " in the enterprise area it is very difficult to get the system right." Although I am dedicated to working as little as possible, my few remaining customers are some of the big financial outfits. One of my areas of expertise is database design, which I understand from the disks on through the design and coding of the query processor, and everything in between. One of my clients is a well known financial house headquartered in Switzerland which has, over the last year or so, been moving their systems from Sun / Sybase to CPQ / MS SQL. Guess what - the reliability and manageability of the system is MUCH better on the CPQ / MS platform than on Sun - by an order of magnitude. Not to mention a third the price. This is the real world, not some ivory tower BS. That same team has been doing a project using a 32-way system running a pre-release of DataCenter. They have run stress cycles which exceed 500% of the load put on their 8-way systems and have not had a single failure in more than 4 months of continuous running. And as far as "getting it right" - the 98.5% field-measured availability of the UE10000 is not exactly something I would be proud of - CPQ will provide 99.99% availability guarantees on Datacenter systems, and of course in their high end systems, provide service level agreements of 99.9999% for some installations. So I believe what I see with my own eyes. Maybe you should open yours.