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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (1111)	9/28/2000 1:32:00 AM
From: cosmicforce	Respond to of 28931

Gee, thanks. I was struggling with the name...

To: TigerPaw who wrote (1111)	9/28/2000 1:48:23 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I read a super book that mentioned Godel- and most of the other brilliant pioneers in math and logic, as well as bringing in biology, called Darwin Among the Machines- it's a book that is all about the development of machine intelligence. I LOVED it.

To: TigerPaw who wrote (1111)	9/28/2000 9:09:13 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

and caused many talented scholars to leave the field in disappointment However, Godel's theorem undermines the validity of his own theorem. Thus, one can expect with certainty that a great thinker will move beyond it...just as scientists and philosophers have always done. As for now--Zillion: "So Godel's incompleteness is something to expect. It is even something that can be intuitively understood without a mathematical approach and proof: the incompleteness concept appears in clearly recognizable form in Zen Buddhism. So it brings to mind how to solve the paradox. There is the idea that consciousness might be a kind of superset of the universe, and thus through consciousness we might understand the universe. Yet we must realize that consciousness and the universe represent a yet larger system or universe to "understand" ( if that word still applies ). This continues iteratively as well. We can perhaps move beyond the self-referential part of the paradox by moving beyond the self: becoming through some higher dimensionality or level of complexity something with no coherant self, or clear perception- point. The Zen answer to what to do next is that real truth is in everyday life. This may well be so: in a universe where knowledge defeats us, what can we do but be what we are? We have to ask why it is that it matters that knowledge of the universe be moved into symbolic representation in our minds. The information we seek is in existence around us at all times, happening in the patterns we seek to understand and quantify. What good is there in this understanding? Clearly we are evolutionarily driven to this attempted understanding, but is there a better reason to be had?"