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To: microhoogle! who wrote (40427)	9/28/2000 4:14:11 PM
From: Andy Thomas	Respond to of 769670

--? Have seen countries pillaged and looted by gun owners. Millions of lives lost. -- oh so you have seen 'millions of people killed by saturday night specials in general street anarchy,' firsthand have you? you're quite a piece of work. i'm sure your masters are very happy with you. andy

To: microhoogle! who wrote (40427)	9/28/2000 4:15:37 PM
From: Andy Thomas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

--Why my friend, does this mankind need guns? -- what you 'nanny state liberals' are really trying to say is, 'why my friend, does this mankind need death?' that's the entire liberal, humanist platform... that death does not exist and that we should sacrifice any number of personal rights in order to ensure that not a single child dies. andy

To: microhoogle! who wrote (40427)	9/28/2000 4:45:36 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

aic.gov.au This is a site you have not mentioned. Homicide by firearm down 30% from 97-98, however overall homicide only down 9%. What other weapons were substituted? Majority of homicides were not firearm but other. Furthermore all the crime graphs point up, including armed robbery. Statistics will never convince some, they're just annoying. Rocks and sticks, then knives and spears and swords, bows and arrows and now firearms. Soon laser weapons? Try and get ballistics on those. Guns represent technological progress. The worst "wars" or massacres occurred when one side was UNARMED, they're called genocides. You're right on the millions killed, maybe 100 million just this century. Who's next? It won't happen to the armed populace. Even dictators know their limits.

To: microhoogle! who wrote (40427)	9/28/2000 5:19:54 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

<<Why my friend, does this mankind need guns? >> Because it's really tough to get a permit to hunt deer with a nuclear bomb. <<Have seen countries pillaged and looted by gun owners.>> And I've seen families who only could afford to eat what they shot.

To: microhoogle! who wrote (40427)	9/28/2000 7:00:53 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Australian Crime and Gun Control Crime statistics show that for this century homicides increased, but those that were firearm related by percentage declined especially in relation to the 80's. Suicides rose at a considerably higher rate, yet the percentage that were firearm related declined. Accidents by firearm are at their lowest levels in 1995 and overall firearm related deaths are much lower than 1980's. So, you might wonder why the big push to ban guns....it was the Port Arthur Massacre in April of 1996, 35 dead by an impaired man wielding an AR-15 semi-auto rifle. "When police later released the information that Bryant had purchased the "military style" weapons used in the attack, from a Hobart gun dealer without any form of licensing, it resulted in an uproar. Virtually overnight, large numbers of private citizens called newspapers, television stations and talk-back radio shows demanding that Australia's disparate gun laws be urgently reappraised. Within days, many politicians added their support and met to discuss a new set of national gun laws including a total ban on all semi-automatic weapons. In response, representatives of several prominent pro-gun lobby groups protested against the sweeping changes, citing that the laws would only serve to place restrictions on decent, law-abiding citizens and not the "lunatic fringe" that procured their firearms illegally. Although much of the blame for Port Arthur was centered on the availability of guns used in violent crimes, Australia's homicide statistics prove otherwise. Tasmania, Martin Bryant's home state, has the lowest murder rate in the country with just 0.85 murders per 100,000 population, a rate far lower than Japan which has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, fists, knives and blunt instruments are the most frequently used weapons in homicides, with guns accounting for just 25%. Despite numerous protests, Prime Minister John Howard later implemented sweeping reforms regarding gun ownership in Australia which included bans on the importation and sale of most "military style" semi-automatic weapons." crimelibrary.com aic.gov.au BTW there are conspiracy theories that Bryant was not the killer. Just put Port Arthur Massacre in a google.com search if you are curious.