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To: Elmer who wrote (112313)	10/3/2000 7:46:11 PM
From: Dan3	Respond to of 186894

Re: No it's not a joke. 60 deg C is fine provided the boxmaker takes the proper steps to design his system That's true. And since a cooling fan failure is a problem for even a tbird, both chips are dependant upon the system fans (case and CPU). Nevertheless, I am a lot happier with the 1GHZ tbird in our most recent server that runs around 45C with 45C of headroom than I would be with 1GHZ PIII that ran at 40C with 30C of headroom. Once or twice a year, the A/C goes out in our server room, and the temp in the room is up by 20C fairly quickly. The PIII would still be OK in such an event, but it would be cutting it close, some dust buildup on a fan filter and you might lose the server (till it cooled down). The Athlon would still have nearly as much headroom as the PIII started with. Robustness is really nice to have in systems that are depended upon. But as long as everything else is OK, so would be the PIII. Dan

To: Elmer who wrote (112313)	10/3/2000 8:53:56 PM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer - RE: "No it's not a joke. 60 deg C is fine provided the boxmaker takes the proper steps to design his system to maintain that temperature. I believe Compaq, HP, IBM, DELL, Gateway and the others have the skills to do that and to suggest otherwise is simply irresponsible." If 60 deg C is fine for boxmakers, in servers and workstations I presume, why didn't Intel come out with a stepping B0 1GHz PIII Xeon? 933MHz was the max with B0 for the Xeon. If the revised 1.13GHz PIII has the exact same thermal characteristics as the screwed up one, I bet Intel won't come out with a 1.13GHz PIII Xeon processor based on the C0 stepping. developer.intel.com Edit - I see Intel is getting binsplits as low as 700MHz with the new C0 stepping. That mask problem must suck. developer.intel.com

To: Elmer who wrote (112313)	10/4/2000 11:01:34 AM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

<I believe ... DELL, Gateway and the others have the skills to do that and to suggest otherwise is simply irresponsible. You have no facts> I have one. Got a DELL i815 1GHz machine few days ago, just to benchmark it with some relevant applications. Guess what? It was DOA. Why? The massive _heat sink_ has fallen from the CPU, during transportation I guess. Do I need to mention that the size and weight of the sink was presumably dictated by the ill 60C requirement:) BTW, it does use the CPUID=686 cC0 stepping. Nevertheless, the machine fails in BAPCO Sysmark2000. Same old story as 1.13? Recall?