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To: pgerassi who wrote (125325)10/4/2000 6:38:49 PM
From: Joe NYC  Respond to of 1570313
 
Pete,

Here its all of the students. In Europe and Asia, its those student who are destined for college.

You may be confusing differences between the states in the US when SAT scores are compared. Most of the comparisons I have seen compare all elementary and high school students. I have not seen one where US ranked in the top half of the countries tested.

Why not allow this system to grow downward into the primary education system. It works and produces the results everyone claims they want.

Well, you have seen what Ted said. It is hopeless when one side completely shuts its mind to arguments.

There is a clear majority of parents out there that supports innovative solutions, but they have been outmaneuvered and outgunned by the educational establishment that is now receiving 100% of the public money and wants to keep it that way, never mind the students or the results.

Joe



To: pgerassi who wrote (125325)10/4/2000 8:36:29 PM
From: hmaly  Respond to of 1570313
 
Pergrassi Re......However, on the question of vouchers, US colleges and universities are rated the world's best period. The public universities and colleges have privately run ones to compete for the students and keep them honest and thus have made the group as a whole the best in the world. Why not allow this system to grow downward into the primary education system. It works and produces the results everyone claims they want. Perhaps the system should be that vouchers only cover a percentage, say for example, half of the per pupil costs of the public school. Add to that a system by which each public primary school can get endowments just like public universities (usually from prominent citizens and graduates) using the same well known systems. Thus, we can turn this problem around by using what we know to work. Now good schools (public and private) have rewards for turning out graduates that are well prepared and poor schools (again public or private) will have consequences of doing a bad job (although since they keep some of the costs of the students no longer there, could get rid of the teachers that do not educate well, decrease class sizes, move out of dilapidated buildings to the remaining better maintained ones, etc. thus getting a chance to turn things around) <<<<

I agree wholeheartedly with that premise; that high schools should be run like colleges; but I would take that further in that the students should be allowed to choose their school, classes and teachers, just like college. We need to get the students to want to be there, instead of hating school. How many colleges have been blown up lately? None , How many colleges have a gang problem. Close to zero. If the kids don't want to go to school, have technical schools; or let them delay schooling until they want to go to school. We can't expect the teachers to educate someone who doesn't want to learn; and I believe students who who just goof off in class are hurting themselves as well as others in class. The kids want choice. We should give it to them. We need to make high school both an educational as well as a pleasant experience.