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To: kash johal who wrote (125354)	10/5/2000 1:15:05 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570724

kash, Lets assume that 50% of parents want to take vouchers and put kids into private schools. Where are these private schools?? Where did the colleges came from? Where did all the private and catholic schools came from for example in New York City, where the current administration is driving the schools to the ground. These things don't happen overnight, but if you never start, you will never get there. Also what happens to the public schools which suddenly get down to 50% capacity. Most likely, rather than a proportional decline in enrollment in all schools, the kids from the worst public schools will try to get into better ones, leaving some schools unused. These buildings can be used for new schools with administration unaffiliated with the failures of the past. It seems to me this is a great targetted tax break for people who's kids are already in private school and political pandering in its finest. And these people of course are evil, because they sacrifice their financial well being to protect their kids from getting raped or stabbed in public "schools". I am thrilled about possibility of having to spend a lot of my own money because I live in place with failing schools. Friends of ours just sent their sent their son to school (kindergarden actually) starting this September, and the first thing our friend needed to do is to teach his son how to fight, how to defend himself. The school can't guarantee the basic safety. Of course this doesn't fit the ivory tower thinking of some, who don't want reality to interfere with their "ideals". Anyway, you would be surprised about sacrifices people make for their kids. Those who can afford just buy an expensive house in a good school district. Those who can't at least try to put together enough money for a Catholic school (that cost a lot less than public schools). Some but many are left behind, unable to escape the trap they are in, forced to send their kids to these horrible institutions where no learning takes place and the basic safety is non-existent. Joe

To: kash johal who wrote (125354)	10/5/2000 2:09:41 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570724

Kash Re..<<Are u proposing that going to high school be voluntary. What would u propose we do with 9 graders on who dont wish to study.<<<< I don't propose to do anything to the ninth graders who don't want to study. It is not the school's job to be a babysitter for troubled children. Is is the schools job to provide an education to children who want to learn. Its the parents job to motivate their children to go to school or find something else for them to do. When these children decide that maybe school isn't so bad after all, thats the time they should go to school, not before. Getting all D's and F's in school will ruin a childs future more than taking some time off from school (how many kids do you know, who have gone on to college after flunking out of high school.), and going to school when they are motivated. These kids may lose some time in their life, but at least in the end,they will a high school diploma and have the ability to go on to college. <Finally on the voucher issue. Lets assume that 50% of parents want to take vouchers and put kids into private schools. Where are these private schools?? How do they get built, who pays for 'em. <<< I think it is safe to say 50% of parents would take the vouchers if possible. But doesn't that fact just show how bad the public school system is. Would you buy stock in any company where 50% of its customers hate its products. Of course all of these private school systems won't be built overnight, but we need to start sometime; the sooner the better as far as I am concerned. As far as I know, the private schools are built by their owners, and the costs are part of the tuition. Also what happens to the public schools which suddenly get down to 50% capacity.<<< You can bet that the public school system will change its ways in a hurry in order to get their students and funding back; just as any company changes its product when the competition demands it. Just imagine, a govt. agency that actually does what its customers want, in order to get them back. Unheard of, sure. Impossible, no. It seems to me this is a great targetted tax break for people who's kids are already in private school and political pandering in its finest.<<<< You have already stated that 50% of the parents would send their children to a private school if given the choice. That is a far greater percentage than the amount of kids who go to private schools now. In addition, parents pay taxes for schooling, and should have the choice of schools. Citizens should have the right to demand a decent education for their money; and if the public school system can't deliver, the citizens should have the right to send their children elsewhere in order to get the education we were promised. Its our money and we should have a say in how it is spent. Its funny but sad that Al Gore defends the right of women to choose when deciding whether to kill their babies, but refuses to give women the right to choose a school? Why not a choice in both cases? As a realistic solution to the education problems - i suspect its all wet.<< If you have a better solution, bring it on. Don't hold back; but don't tell me I have to settle for second best. Second best is for losers.

To: kash johal who wrote (125354)	10/5/2000 6:00:41 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1570724

Lets assume that 50% of parents want to take vouchers and put kids into private schools. Where are these private schools?? How do they get built, who pays for 'em. Also what happens to the public schools which suddenly get down to 50% capacity. They get built over time in response to the demand for them. The current public schools would have to do well to compete for the vouchers so it inserts an element of competition even in to public schools. The public schools won't lose 50% overnite because the competition doesn't have enough supply (simiarly if every major vendor came out with AMD business desktops and servers, and fortune 500 companies loved them, Intel would still have a much higher market share then AMD). In the long run some public schools (which may or may not remain public) get better (or allready very good) and keep or grow market share. Some public schools that stink lose market share or even go out of business. The main concern that I have is will some legislatures or courts determine that vouchers that go to the parents, count as money going from the federal government to the schools, and based on that all of the government regulatory burdun that public schools labor under will get assigned to private schools. As a realistic solution to the education problems - i suspect its all wet. In the long run I think it is the most realistic solutions possible. In the short run it can have some positive impact but it will mainly be just pushing current public schools to do better. Tim