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To: Mr. Whist who wrote (43239)	10/5/2000 7:21:54 PM
From: briskit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Flapjack, you command my respect with such breadth. I hope you are not being a little pharisaical with this question ;^), which I am sure you are not.

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (43239)	10/5/2000 7:43:02 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Guess you missed the part where Jesus turns to the whore and tells her to "go and sin no more." Clinton make the same mistake when he cruised through the bible looking for loop holes. I always thought this was an admonition not to be judgmental and not to be a hypocrite.

To: Mr. Whist who wrote (43239)	10/6/2000 1:35:31 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 769670

" I always thought this was an admonition not to be judgmental and not to be a hypocrite. Did my 13 years of religious grade school and high school learn me wrong?" I have no way of knowing what your religious teachers were up to, but I suspect you were busy picking and choosing the parts and parcels that fit some agenda of the day that you were trying to push....as usual. Anyway, Jesus went to great lengths to let people know that he supported righteous behavior and attitudes. He admonished bad behavior including hypocrisy. He made a big point that the rule of law is to be respected. Concern for behavior is consistant with character development. Jesus used this episode to admonish the men who were present and remind them to have concern for their own behavior and the consequential condition of their souls. Far from the attitude that bad behavior should just be ignored. He was given the knowledge (that the rest of us would not be privy to) of the whore's attitude toward her behavior. Apparently she was sincerely remorseful and repentant for her sins. For that reason Jesus, who did know that God was merciful in her specific case, granted her forgiveness and released her under the condition that she sin no more. "Sin no more;" not, behave anyway you wish. That is quite judgemental. Jesus was aware of a set up. Under the law of the Torah he knew that there had to be eye witnesses of the act and that the male partner shared equal guilt and consequences for the act. The male partner wasn't at the scene. In addition the Romans had passed a law against capital punishment at the hands of civilians. Quite a pickle that Jesus had been put in...violate Roman law or the law of the Torah. Nice solution granted by God, too. We have always had the obligation to use judgement (regarding behaviour and circumstanses) in order to establish and maintain societal standards and rules of law. We have always been forbidden to judge souls as the job is taken. There is a simple and common sense difference here...unfortunately we have only the one term in English which confuses the issue....for some. It also enables some to exploit scripture. BTW " You are a self-proclaimed religious expert." I am not an expert on religion. I do not have an agenda that I need to wrap everything around either. I can read, and I can apply basic principles of decency to most situations.