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To: tejek who wrote (125465)	10/6/2000 1:31:23 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571051

Ted, the societal issues are a big part of the problem, but many of the schools are bad. Vouchers are an attempt to deal with this aspect of the problem, and should have no negative effect on the other problems. They are not an attempt to avoid anything. Tim

To: tejek who wrote (125465)	10/6/2000 1:51:53 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571051

Ted, The schools per se are not bad...its the societal issues which manifest themselves in our school system that are the problem. If you have the schools deal with "societal issues" that they are ill equipped to deal with and not teach, the "societal issues" will remain unsolved and the kids will not learn. Not just kids who don't want to learn or are exhibiting these problems, but also the kids who came to schools to learn. Joe

To: tejek who wrote (125465)	10/6/2000 7:22:40 AM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571051

TEJEK Re....<<<<The schools per se are not bad...its the societal issues which manifest themselves in our school system that are the problem. In the great American tradition, the voucher system is another attempt to avoid dealing with those problems. So I view it as running away.<<<< Ted, sure, you can view it as running away. But what happens when enough people run away. The people who are in charge will begin to realize the depth of the problems and start to reform the schools in an effort to get the students back. I don't think the societal issues are any worse here than many countries. Its like you believe Cuba doesn't have any poor, or that France doesn't have to deal with drugs, or the developing nations in Africa doesn't have to deal with violence. Every nation has to deal with the same societal problems we do. The problem here is that the politicians,judges, administrators and teachers unions, are all trying to force their problems onto the schools. Forcing kids to be bused all over town to reduce racism is one of the worst examples, because it not only does nothing to reduce racism, but having to endure the extra travel time, plus having to go to school without ones friends makes a student hate school. Forcing kids to go to school who don't want to go only makes those kids hate school, it doesn't make them any smarter because you can't force anybody to learn if they don't want to. You need to wait until that child deems school to be in his best interest, so he wants to learn. Everybody has this " All we have to do is force Johnny to go to school, he will like it." theory, which in reality makes Johnny hate school even more and also makes even the students who want to learn hate school because Johnny is venting his anger on the other students. We need to quite trying to force the schools to deal with societies problems, the schools should only have to deal with educating the kids who want to learn. Thats their job. Dealing with racism is not. Dealing with students who do not want to learn should not be the schools job; it is the parents job. When Johnny is ready to learn, then send him to school. That to me is the main reason our colleges are world class and our public high schools have no class. The students in college want to be there. The students in college don't have to bother with gangs,disgruntled Johnnys,classes they hate,hall monitors etc. They just have to show up and learn. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get our high schools back to that premise?