To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1577 ) 10/8/2000 1:14:08 PM From: cosmicforce Respond to of 10042 Since I was taking some funky sociology course at the time, taught by a marxist-leninist femi-nazi (which is not a oxymoron, btw.. :0), I had this sudden desire to find out what this guys story was.. Sounds like it was an enlightening experience. Marx had his heart in the right place, but didn't understand that human laziness and tendency to build bureaucracy would produce such a poor form of government. You have to remember that the big-C Communists of Russia were NOT little-c Marxists. A common mistake. They got stunted at the stage of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Marx actually was a utopian that thought democracy would only work after the populace was free of classist oppression. I tend to agree. People need to be educated to break free. The ideologues that the parties put up, are to hide the fact that there is so little difference between the two brands of party we are given in this country. The problem with communism is that once you put dictators in place, they don't want to be removed. Marx didn't expect that. But more to the point, Utopians, in general had many of the same values as the Progressives (like America's Teddy Roosevelt) and really didn't want to steal people's souls, but were opposed to the really bad way poor people were being treated. Many of the things that Marx noted were true then and true now. Before I end up being cast as a Commie, Greener or other such outsider, I'm a moderate and I generally end up choosing one or other of the crappy candidates. Otherwise, I end up tossing my vote away. Just because I'm pragmatic doesn't make my ability to see the truth go away.