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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (1583)	10/8/2000 3:00:24 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

It's like you inserted the word liberal to get a response - is that your intent? Of course!! I have to stay somewhat "on topic", right? But ask yourself this question... who are the folks who primarily push anti-capital punishment issues? It sure isn't the conservative side of the political spectrum. Rather, it's mostly the liberal factions who probably don't believe in spanking their children either.. (go in the corner and have 15 minutes of "time out" instead) It is the liberal faction of society who believe that society has no right to take another human life, even in self-defense. Btw, while I do partially subscribe to your clay analogy, neither do I believe that people can't change for the better. The difference is that I want some proof of reform. It goes back to the debate that is going on about granting felons the right to vote upon release from prison versus making it necessary for the felon to apply for restoration of their voting rights. Fulfilling a term of incarceration should not be mistaken for rehabilitation, especially since so many convicts quickly find themselves back in prison in a very short time frame. And btw, I'm not referring to "boot camps", but rather boarding schools where military concepts are utilized. Not just as punishment, but as motivating and team building practices. Activities that permit them to channel their energies in a positive manner. Your "beta" male analogy is sound, since every leader must have a follower. But excusing their actions as merely the result of maintaining status is going a bit far. For anyone of these beta males is just itching to step up and become the leader of the pack once weakness is shown. And it is these beta males who use the excuse that Stanley Milgram" found evident in his electro-shock experiment back in the '50s, namely that normally good individuals will do bad things to people when they are able to transfer responsiblity for their actions onto an authority figure. And they isn't much better than being the one who gave the orders to begin with... is it? Just think about those Nazi guards who spent their days gassing and burning hundreds of victims per day, going home to their families as if nothing was wrong....