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To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (3512)	10/11/2000 2:16:58 PM
From: Softechie	Respond to of 4155

A- rating sounds good to me. Good luck everyone.

To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (3512)	10/12/2000 3:47:12 PM
From: 44magnumpower	Respond to of 4155

Spend enough time studying the market, and you will realize the market has a mind of its own...... When your stock tanks on good news, but goes up on bad news. When analysts recommend your stock as a buy, and the stock takes an immediate dive. When the CEO publicly says all is great, and a month later all is terrible, you realize things are not what they seem. It takes many years to deprogram your mind from the constant barrage of Wall Street's misguided expertise that on the surface seemed logical, but works against you in real trading. If you want to be successful, you too have to deprogram your mind. Sounds crazy, but true! ANALYSTS RECOMMENDATIONS. Why do analysts issue buy recommendations on stocks when they're at an all time high, and sell recommendations on stocks at all time low? Brokers, investment advisors, mutual funds, etc, are all part of the money machine. Your broker has little knowledge and just passes along the buy and sell orders he gets from the top. Your investment advisor which you hired to guide and protect you, gets a commission from the mutual fund he puts you into. Need I say more? REALITY CHECK - Stocks rarely crash for no reason, and no message board uproar will change the fact that you may be missing some key vital information soon to be known. The numbers never lie, and if your stock crashed, it probably happened for a very good reason. It's a strong bet, that following a false rebound the stock will fall even further, and neither the shorts, nor the longs win when jumping into a high volatility situation. The best play is to do nothing and wait for the volatility to die down. FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS - Be very skeptical. After all companies only show us what they want us to see. When do we get the real data? After the CEO and his buddies all sold their shares. STOP LOSS ORDERS - The market is volatile, but investors should not use stop loss orders. You either like the stock because it's a great value and willing to ride the volatility, or just don't buy it. The original idea was to protect investors from losing money to volatile investments. Sounds reasonable, but in reality stop losses have a major impact on how investors operate. Instead of evaluating investments based on value, the concept now is, "Let's just buy it, and if it falls I will just lose 10% as my stop loss gets hit." The problem with this kind of thinking is that instead of accumulating winners, you are creating a system biased toward accumulating losses. SCALING IN - The number one mistake among investors is not picking the wrong stock, it's not scaling in properly. I strongly believe in scaling into a position, buying more as the stock falls. Most investors make the tragic mistake of putting too much money and energy into their first buy, emotionally committing themselves to being right. When things go wrong and often they do, they are left paralyzed. SUPPORT - As most investors view it is a fallacy. Support is only a temporary stop that can be mathematically calculated. To think that there is such a thing as long term support is as naive as the belief that a company will always deliver on its projected earnings. REMEMBER: True bottom in most cases is a non news event, and is typically mathematical in nature. By the time the average investor realizes he missed the bottom it's too late. What happened, what was the news? There was none, see you next time. THE URGE TO TRADE - Is strong for most people; they want constant action. The problem? Great picks don't come up every day. Idle periods are part of the business. You may be tempted to take on a lesser trade, only to regret it later. As a rule, a lesser trade will go against you at the worst possible time. Finally, when a great pick does come along, you want to be cash rich, and emotionally clean. The last thing you need is preoccupation with a deteriorating position. THE CROWD - Don't join the crowd, as the crowd is rarely right. A Message Board is an incubator of emotional investors focusing on the wrong events and the wrong consequences. Spend one week listening to 100 would be experts, and before you know it, you will have lost your own conviction. Very little valuable information can ever be gotten on a message board, but you can certainly measure sentiments. TAKEOVER - Following weeks of bad news and a depressed stock price, rumors of an imminent takeover is the next logical event. Although a takeover is always a possibility, in the majority of the cases it's just rumors. LOGIC - If you're losing $$$ on your stock, it simply means you bought it at the wrong time... "the wrong time" usually being when everybody else wants it. If you sell it now at the low, 12 months from now when it's back at the 52 week high you'll not only have bought it at the wrong time, but did worse by selling it at the worst time as well. Keep in mind, If you buy a $1.00 Christmas card for $.25 on December 26th, it's not worthless. It's safe to say that 11 months from now it will be worth at least $1.00, or 4 times what you paid for it. Is a $300.00 winter coat bought in May for $150 a bad investment, or will it be just as warm, soft, and valuable 6 months later?

To: Tunica Albuginea who wrote (3512)	10/13/2000 11:24:42 AM
From: Tunica Albuginea	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4155

<font color=red>Oct. 13 , 2000 COMPLETE CNC NEWS ,COMMENTS AND REVIEW Everyday we post the most worthwhile post. Here is today’s from YAHOO: messages.yahoo.com Wendt out bucks until ....by: iben_there 10/12/00 5:11 pmMsg: 78381 of 78447 With the hyperbole posted from time-to-time about Wendt's salary and gains from his employment at CNC, I post the following links for reference and anyone's instant memory refreshment: -------------------------------------------------- 1) cnetinvestor.com 2) cnetinvestor.com 3) cnetinvestor.com 4) cnetinvestor.com ----------------------------------------------------------- I read the information contained in the above links to be substantially as follows: 1) Up-front Aspects: . . a) In his non-complete contract, Wendt was entitled to $65 million over 21 months from GE. . . b) To undertake the job at CNC, he had to forfeit that same $65 million from GE. . . c) To induce him to forfeit (1b) above, and take their job, CNC paid Wendt $45 million. . . d) GE gets warrants to buy 10.5 million shares @ $5.75 for waiving non-competition clause - CONCLUSION: Wendt is down $20 million on this aspect. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . GE is the winner here. Its gets about $68 million (10-12-00 value) 2) Annual Fixed Compensation Aspects: . . a) $1 million in salary starting in 2002 - - - (equals $3 million over 5 years) . . b) $1.5 million of restricted stock a year - (equals $7.5 million over 5 years) - CONCLUSION: Wendt will be up about $10.5 million on this aspect. SUBTOTAL of (1) and (2) above: Wendt (personally) is down $9.5 million over 5 years. 3) Incentive Aspects: . . a) 3.2 million restricted shares if he stays through June 2002. -(value about $20 million) . . b) options to buy 10 million shares @5.875 - vested over five years. -(value about $1 million) . . c) $8 million minimum bonus (which can grow to) $50 million if the company's stock price attains an average of $20 or more during the 20 trading days ending June 30, 2002. . . d) annual bonus of $2.8 million if earnings are on track. - CONCLUSION: Wendt has yet to qualify yet on any part of these aspects. SUMMARY ANALYSIS (Based on no earnings improvement and no change from today's stock price) ---------- If Wendt does not stay two years - he personally loses $17 million dollars. . . Loss from (1) above: . . . . . . . . . . . $(20.0) million . . Stock from (2b) above. . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.0 If Wendt stays two years he gets minimum incentive compensation of: . . $ 20.0 million in restricted stock at todays value (3a above) . . . . . .4 million in stock options w/two years of vesting (3b above) . . . . 8.0 million minimum bonus based on stock price (3c above). . . ------- . . $ 28.4 total incentive compensation . . .(17.0) deduct Wendt's personal loss on (1) and (2) above for 1st two years.. . . -------- . . $ 11.4 million minimum over two years ($5.7 million per year average) OVERALL CONCLUSIONS: Wendt is down $18.5 million as of this date (assuming he has received the first installment of stock in (2b). The bulk of his compensation does not materialize until the stock price increases and he delivers the goods upon which on the incentives shown in (3) above are based.. For those who still believe Wendt is overpaid - A QUESTION ARISES:GE was paying Wendt $65 million (over 21 months) not to compete with GE Capital. Why??? by iben_there =================================== TA $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ CNC NEWS, REVIEW, FUNDAMENTAL DATA AND COOL LINKS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ R E S O U R C E S : NICE site to get IMMEDIATE NEWS FROM DOWJONES ============================================ quicken.excite.com V AL I D E A.com ================== Interesting site to get many previous articles and reports, rumors etc validea.com $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MAJOR RECENT ARTICLES ON CNC $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Oct. 5, 2000--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Fitch has rated Conseco Finance Corp's (Conseco) manufactured housing contract senior/subordinate pass-through certificates series 2000-5 $626.3 billion class A-1 through A-7 certificates 'AAA'. Message 14520982 10-4-00: The Street.Com:#1 CNC Critic, Peter Eavis , NOW admits he screwed up his projections of CNC’s earnings. He states: ” It now appears that our tax treatment of the projected cash flows was incorrect.” thestreet.com ragingbull.altavista.com 3-Oct-00 : Merrill Lynch –“ financial stability is less of an issue.” Maintains Neutral Outlook. Message 14501552 Oct. 3, 2000 (Bloomberg) Conseco Shares Tumble Amid Investor Concern About Debt and earnings quote.bloomberg.com ragingbull.altavista.com September 29 CNC writes An Open Memo to Conseco Shareholders and Other Interested Parties about Shorts Misinforming On CNC EPS: biz.yahoo.com ragingbull.altavista.com Sept. 25 (Bloomberg): Conseco's Wendt Says He Expects Debt Rating Upgrade 'Shortly' messages.yahoo.com Sept. 25 BW: A.M. Best Affirms B++ Rating of Conseco Life Subsidiaries siliconinvestor.com Message 14449876 Sep 25, 2000 (BUSINESS WIRE) :Fitch Comments on Conseco's Bank Agreement Rating Reviews Continue siliconinvestor.com Message 14450072 Sept;23, 2000:Indianapolis Star Starnews.com:Conseco, lendser OK debt.. messages.yahoo.com Business Wire: Friday September 22, 5:50 pm Conseco `Restoration Plan' Moves Forward biz.yahoo.com Message 14440157 Friday, September 22, 2000 05:46 PMConseco, Banks Agree To Restructure $2.8B In Debt quicken.excite.com Friday September 22 Conseco prices $300 million asset-backed offering biz.yahoo.com Sept. 19, 2000 Dow Jones Newswires Conseco Expected To Offer $300 Mln Home Improvement Debt messages.yahoo.com . 9/14/00 :Conseco Reaches Agreement With Lehman Brothers on Finance Unit messages.yahoo.com 9/14/00 -A. M. Best via COMTEX Conseco Cleared to Use 'Upstream' Cash for Debt Repayment messages.yahoo.com 08-31-00 (BUSINESS WIRE)--Conseco, Inc. announced today an agreement with Chase Manhattan Bank and Bank of America to extend to Sept. 22, 2000, $155 million in loans to Conseco. news.morningstar.com Aug. 30 Bloomberg Conseco Shares Gain as Bank Debt Rescheduling Pact Expected By Dan Lonkevich ragingbull.altavista.com Aug.29,2000: The StreetCom Conseco Near a Deal to Extend Loans Message 14298004 Aug. 17,2000: Business Wire: Wendt Battles Shorts Message 14227830 .Aug.15,2000: 1) Lehman Is Latest Hurdle For Conseco's Recovery Message 14214595 Aug.15,2000: Conseco Still Negotiating Debt Maturity With Lenders Message 14214598 ..Aug. 14,2000: FITCH TO UPGRADE COMSECO?? Because it is over collateralized? Message 14212528 . Aug 9 (Reuters) - Conseco Finance, fixed final terms for its 2000-4 series $1.2 billion nine-tranche asset-backed bond launched on August 4. Rating Aaa/AAA/AAA ragingbull.altavista.com . Aug. 9,2000: A consortium of eight insurance companies has completed a $40.5 million investment in affordable-housing projects across the state, the first test of an effort to get insurers to voluntarily invest in community development. ragingbull.altavista.com .Aug. 4, 2000: Conseco prices senior classes of $1.2 bln ABS deal favorably ragingbull.altavista.com .Aug. 4, 2000:Conseco Capital Management Names New Co-Portfolio Managers for Conseco High Yield Fund Conseco Promotes From Within After High-Yield Exodus ragingbull.altavista.com . .7/27/00 BUSINESS WIRE: CONSECO Announces Restructuring Program ,Parts I, II, III & IV , from RB ragingbull.altavista.com .http://www.quicken.com/investments/news/story/bw/?story=/news/stories/bw/20000727/a2620.htm&symbol=CNC . DOW JONES NEWSWIRE 7/27/00:COMPLETE EPS REPORT 1: dowjones.work.com 2: dowjones.work.com 3: dowjones.work.com 7/24/00 BLOOMBERG: WENDT GETS RID OF LEOPARD CHAIR AND .......PROTECTS SHAREHOLDER EQUITY: quote.bloomberg.com . 7/19/2000 WENDT HIRES Ex-GE CRISIS TEAM biz.yahoo.com . 7/12/2000 20 MILLION PAID TO HIRE WENDT Wendt gets 45 mill less than if he had stayed at the Golf Course and got paid by GE to non - compete and do nothing. GE gets 10 mill CNC shares, will make another killing. . messages.yahoo.com . 8/21/00:CONSECO INVESTOR RELATIONS SAYS: Mr. Wendt paid the taxes on the bonus. His bonus was not grossed up. He received $45 million before taxes. messages.yahoo.com 6/30/2000 WENDT BACK FROM HONEYMOON messages.yahoo.com WHO IS GARY WENDT ********************************************. W E N D T the person ======================== Aug. 7, 2000 :BUSINESS WEEK ragingbull.altavista.com My comments on Business Week Article: Music Music Music.. Message 14127197 1997 FORBES/GECAPITAL: " BLOWING BUBBLES " forbes.com July 5, 2000: REVIEW OF GARY WELCH LIFE AND ARTICLES Message 13993832 July 10, 2000: W S J : GE Capital’s Wendt: " A BRUTAL NEGOTIATOR " Message 14023303 FORBES: GE faces future without Welch: forbes.com They should have said Wendt since he was responsible for 36% of it’s income: ”After dominating the old economy, Welch embraced the new one, shifting GE away from its manufacturing roots and toward services like GE Capital, which now account for most of its business (GE had revenue of $110.8 billion and net income of $10.7 billion in 1999). ” WENDT'S PAST PERFORMANCE He run GECapital, GE’s most profitable part for 13 years. Ge’s Engine for Growth “. forbes.com Thus, he was responsible for 38% of GE's net income 1990-1998 As GE’s profit came increasingly from Financial Services businessweek.com How he compares with the giants: quicken.com $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FUNDAMENTAL DATA AND COOL LINKS ================================= CNC Balance Sheet ================= conseco.com FUNDAMENTALS =================== quotes.nasdaq.com 9-2-00 Morningstar Quicktake® Report Business Appraiser: ======================= quicktake.morningstar.com C H A R T S ================ Stockcharts: stockcharts.com[M,A]DACLYYMY[PB10!B20!B30!B50!B200][VC60][IUB14!LA12,26,9!LC20!LF!LG!LI14,3!LH14,3!LL14!LM12] stockcharts.com . Interactive Point and Figure charting for CNC ( allow it to load and then play with right lower sidebar till you get green xxx’s pointing to $10 ). stockcharts.com . CNC Restructuring Program.com ========================= quicken.com Earnings Growth @ MSN MONEY CENTRAL ===================================== ragingbull.altavista.com .Earnings Estimates ================= Silicon Investor Message 14250661 NASDAQ-Info-Quote earnings.nasdaq-amex.com BLOOMBERG Earnings Growth Estimates : quote.bloomberg.com PREFERRED STOCK & BONDS ============================ finance.yahoo.com Money Flow Data by Softechie Money flow stats 12/1/99-10/2/00 in 1/8 range. Message 14501970 .. *********************************************** VARIOUS CNC INVESTORS & BROKER RATINGS ************************************************ Sept. 8, 2000: NASDQAQ InfoQuote has 2 Buys, 2 Strong Buys and 9 holds. That’s up from prior 4 weeks where they had LEH & ING only , as Accumulate: earnings.nasdaq-amex.com 8/10/2000Gary Smith from REALMONEY.COM at The StreetCom puts a buy on CNC with a stop at 7. Anyway, here are a few charts to look at as you sip your morning Cafe Yukon: thestreet.com ragingbull.altavista.com thestreet.com Sept 8, 2000:Flag Investors Value Fund . flaginvestors.com messages.yahoo.com Aug. 29, 2000:DLJ has a big position in CNC as of 6-30-2000 and is UP 429% from previous Q. insidertrader.com GABELLI FUND UP 23% has 9% of position in CNC: messages.yahoo.com GABELLI FUND UP 23% has 9% of position in CNC: messages.yahoo.com Comments on Gabelli by YHOO poster tired_of_drivel messages.yahoo.com messages.yahoo.com messages.yahoo.com PROFIT VALUE FUND: 4 star Morningstar rating. In last 3 months has added new position in Conseco, to make in 8th largest position; position similar in size to its holding in Berkshire. messages.yahoo.com .9-2-00 Morningstar Quicktake® Report quicktake.morningstar.com Major Fund Owners quicktake.morningstar.com . 8/15/00 Bloomberg: Novell, Conseco Are Among the True Stock Bargains: J. Dorfman cnetinvestor.com Message 14220318 8/5/00 S & P raises Outlook to highest, 5 ( on scale 1 to 5 ) messages.yahoo.com 7/30/00 STANDARD AND POOR UPGRADES CNC TO 4 STARS FROM 3 STARS Message 14133330 Maintains: Accumulate: messages.yahoo.com OCT. 3 , 2000: Merrill Lynch Maintains Neutral same as before ( see below ) but now with “ LESS UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THE FUTURE “ Message 14501552 7/31/00 Merrill Lynch Maintains Neutral messages.yahoo.com 10-2-00: Solomon Smith Barney: Maintains Neutral/High Risk Colin Devine has always been bearish on CNC . Message 14500598 7/26/00 LEHMAN MAINTAINS OUTPERORM II ON CNC Message 14109720 ********************************************* . OVERVIEW of CONSECO INSURANCE RATINGS conseco.com . ******************************************************* RATING AGENCIES , MOODY’S, S & P etc ******************************************************** Oct. 3, 2000: Irwin Jacobs comments on rating Agencies outlook: irwinljacobs.com Sept. 25 (Bloomberg): Conseco's Wendt Says He Expects Debt Rating Upgrade 'Shortly' messages.yahoo.com A.M. Best ============ . Sept. 25 BW: A.M. Best Affirms B++ Rating of Conseco Life Subsidiaries siliconinvestor.com Message 14449876 .FITCH Sep 25, 2000 (BUSINESS WIRE) :Fitch Comments on Conseco's Bank Agreement Rating Reviews Continue siliconinvestor.com Message 14450072 Aug. 14,2000: FITCH TO UPGRADE CONSECO?? Because it is overcollateralized? Message 14212528 Aug. 11. 2000:Conseco 2000-4 $1.2B Manufactured Hsg Contract P-T Rtd By Fitch Message 14200638 . biz.yahoo.com . Aug. 11, 2000: Fitch Downgrades Conseco Rtgs biz.yahoo.com Message 14200576 S & P .=============== www2.marketwatch.com ragingbull.altavista.com S&P cuts Conseco Fin status Aug. 8, 2000--3:18 pm - By Chris Kraeuter Conseco Finance's credit rating status was revised to "negative" from "developing" by Standard & Poor's. ragingbull.altavista.com Comment from RB poster on above S & P reports: messages.yahoo.com 8/9/00 1:58:00 PM : Business WireS&P Places Various Green Tree Cert Rtgs on Watch Neg The revision in the CreditWatch status reflects the increasing likelihood that Conseco Finance will not be sold to a higher-rated entity in the foreseeable future. ragingbull.altavista.com Comment from RB poster on above S & P reports: .MOODY'S ======================= quote.bloomberg.com . " While Moody's said it expects the company and its bank lenders to reach a satisfactory agreement, it said the details of such an agreement and the effects on Conseco's operations remain uncertain. moodys.com New York, June 30, 2000 -- Moody's Investors Service has downgraded the credit ratings of Conseco, Inc. and its affiliates (senior debt rating to Ba3 from Ba1). moodys.com New York, April 20, 2000 -- Moody's Investors Service lowered the senior unsecured debt ratings of Conseco, Inc. and Conseco Finance to Ba1 from Baa3. . MORNINGSTAR/FINANCIAL ============================ messages.yahoo.com Morningstar grades CNC a B-, for financial health, just slightly below average for insurance industry and average for universe of stocks. . . DALBAR Insurance Rating Web site ================================ Part 1 messages.yahoo.com Part 2 messages.yahoo.com *********************************************** MANUFACTURED HOUSING *********************************************** Sept.12/PRNews:Manufactured Homes Sales Growth Strong dowjones.work.com Oct.3,2000 BARRON'S :" Bullish Manufactured Housing " Green point ". ie: Predictions of the death of manufactured housing where premature: Message 14513475 VARIOUS OTHER ISSUES IN CNC: . .****************************************** ISSUE OF WENDT’S SALARY: ” Best post is from YAHOO For those who still believe Wendt is overpaid - A QUESTION ARISES: GE was paying Wendt $65 million (over 21 months) not to compete with GE Capital. Why???” 1) cnetinvestor.com 2) cnetinvestor.com 3) cnetinvestor.com 4) cnetinvestor.com by iben_there messages.yahoo.com ISSUE OF PRODUCING A GIANT SHORT SQUEEZE: ================================================ MOST RECENT ================= 8-29-00The Original PAC-MAN Short_Squeeze Strategy remains intact and in force Silicon Investor version Message 14284021 RB Version ragingbull.altavista.com First, to effect a short squeeze in CNC and see a giant squirt of cash upwards in your CNC stock: a) ask your broker to put the stock certificate out of Street name, and in YOUR name or b) simply ask him to restrict it, ie you don't want to have it loaned out for shorting. 8-29: ANATOMY of A Short Squeeze Message 14330070 8-28 Cramer:The Street Com: Buy-In Blues . thestreet.com 8-21-00: StreeetCom.com: What Happens When Short-Selling Goes Bad thestreet.com biz.yahoo.com Message 14247932 Aug: 11, 2000:REUTERS: "Liquidator" Jacobs bets on insurer's turnaround biz.yahoo.com Message 14172703 CNC in WORTH Magazine via Maverick Capital's Hedge Fund Manager - Lee Ainslie. Ainslie is a noted short seller who has averaged 24.8% after fees with $5B under management. He has covered his CNC position: I am not going to go Against somebody of Wendt’s reputation . 8-1-00 Star Tribune: Neal St. Anthony/On Business: Jacobs roars, short sellers yawn startribune.com . 7/31/00 J.J. CRAMER FROM TheStreetCom editorializes: A great Idea !!! ragingbull.altavista.com 7/27/00 IRWIN JACOBS WANTS TO PRODUCE A SHORT SQUEEZE. . He puts this Ad in Wall StJ. then other papers messages.yahoo.com streetmonkey.com September 13, 2000 Dow Jones Newswires Irwin Jacobs Takes Crusade Vs Conseco Shorts Online interactive.wsj.com And puts his web site up irwinljacobs.com IRWIN JACOBS PICTURE : interactive.wsj.com Angling for Tie-Ins, Irwin Jacobs Took Up Big-Time Bass Fishing interactive.wsj.com Message 14204449 Morons ( Mr.P$nk ) criticizing Irwin Jacobs: Message 14533261 =============================== CURRENT SHORT INTEREST ============================ SHORT INTEREST 8-22-00 Wall Street Journal ragingbull.altavista.com Short Interest According to this web site: trading-ideas.com Shorting Rules ragingbull.altavista.com BOOKS ON SHORTING ======================== (We encourage would be shorts to read these and go ahead short some more and make Mr.Wendt¡¦s Day when the big squeezarooo comes along). capatcolumbia.com CNC SHORT_SQUEEZE AMUSEMENT PARK: Message 14445597 ****************************************** 7/22/2000 ISSUE OF CNC BANKRUPTCY AND of DILUTION of SHAREHOLDER EQUITY ****************************************** .Part I messages.yahoo.com. Part II messages.yahoo.com. messages.yahoo.com. . 7/28/00 :ISSUE of FABER CNBC REPORT & CONTROVERSY ==================================================== .( ie that Wendt is going to dilute shareholder equity ?). ragingbull.altavista.com .7/29/00 reply by ta to FABER Report: CNBC FABER is either LYING or MISINFORMED messages.yahoo.com . 7/24/00 Cnet : ''We're not going to be diluting shareholder value at ridiculously low prices,'' Wendt said. cnetinvestor.com messages.yahoo.com 7/31/00 FABER CORRECTS HIMSELF: " CNC WILL N O T ISSUE ANY N E W EQUITY ". .http://boards.cnbc.com/jetson/message.asp?forumid=1695&messageid=459074&threadid=459074 Thank you Mr. FABER. . ****************************************** ISSUE OF MR.T.LEE'S PREFERRED STOCK ========================================= Aug.16:RBull: by Normal_Deviate ragingbull.altavista.com Aug.16:RBull: by NJ-Gator: ragingbull.altavista.com messages.yahoo.com messages.yahoo.com ISSUE of VALUE of PREFERRED STOCK ====================================== messages.yahoo.com ******************************************* . <MISCELLANEOUS . ******************************************* .Why Wendt took job at CNC ============================ Sept.5,2000: YHOO poster Corporate_Barbarian’s post is still a classic, on why Wendt took the job at CNC: He stands to make a GIANT amount of money when he gets CNC up to $30. messages.yahoo.com Same by paulthebigfinn messages.yahoo.com Details of Pay package are in Form 8-K ( see Edgar ): messages.yahoo.com ======================== 10/05/2000 2:45 PM ET The Reality of Conseco................................................ By asdf1234 boards.cnbc.com **************************************************** WHY I INVEST IN CONSECO ragingbull.altavista.com CNC Disclaimer for Dummies : ========================= " Be careful: Investing has been compared to gambling. Thus as in Las Vegas, investing in CONSECO could cause you to loose your wallet, your car and trailer, plane tickets, Bank Account, house, wife and job and you can become crippled and die. ". Let the buyer beware!!!!!! More Info From Uncle Sam, cradle to grave care and handholding here: sec.gov sec.gov How Market makers Manipulate YOU** otcnn.com And how to SPOT SHORTS and Similar STOCK-BASHERS: ragingbull.altavista.com This Piece was made possible by the TA CNC Shorts-Crushing Machine: The Bandwidth-Hogger, CNC Short Lumbar Spine Blower Lamborghini Diablo: post.messages.yahoo.com Note: If you click on my last post it will take you to my very first post 2 months ago. TA