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Strategies & Market Trends : Steve's Channelling Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Steve Lee who wrote (6159)10/11/2000 5:39:23 PM
From: SBHX  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30051
 
Steve,

Not exactly, ever since that, umc has given a stock dividend (basicallly more new dilutive stock to existing holders instead of cash dividends --- a strange taiwan practise).

I don't have the exact stock dividend numbers, but I think the # of stocks is now higher than 111M.

edit : however, the tricky question is : what happens in march of 2001?

SbH



To: Steve Lee who wrote (6159)10/11/2000 6:02:29 PM
From: Zeev Hed  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 30051
 
Steve, It is indeed quite possible that a "non cash" loss will have to be reported. The stock did not fuss much when the "non cash" profit was recorded, so I presume that the market will pay more attention to the operational profits this time as well. If you remember, the bu$$ took a sizeable non cash charge against options issued (or issuable) and the stock did not react to that either. Where it will be important, however is the shaving of few dollars on the book value of SNDK, since the current book value includes the last "marked to market" for the half of the shares that are saleable (the restricted shares are still at cost, I believe).

Zeev



To: Steve Lee who wrote (6159)10/11/2000 6:15:04 PM
From: Logain Ablar  Respond to of 30051
 
Steve:

I can't help you here. Maybe one of the accountants that really knows GAAP. Maybe mythman on the clown thread.

In the past insurance companies would not have to mark to market the securities and have the unrealized loss hit the P&L. It would hit their surplus and book value but be a balance sheet entry only, not the P&L.

Only when realized would it hit the P&L.

Not sure at all about a manufacturing company.

Tim