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Politics : Al Gore vs George Bush: the moderate's perspective -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Dayuhan who wrote (2218)	10/12/2000 1:30:40 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10042

It amazes me as well to see how thoroughly the American colonial experiment in the Philippines has been written out of our history. And, as Lather will attest, we invented the semi-automatic Colt .45 M-1911 A1 [all those gun nuts out there, myself included, bow your head in shame now] to stop the "Freedom Fighters" (isn't that what we call them when WE are supporting them?). They charged us with such fervor that the six shooters weren't enough to stop them. We needed more capacity and larger slugs to stop their malnourished little Asian bodies cold. Shameful. Bloody and shameful. When Reagan got up there and bobbed his head talking wistfully about contra Freedom Fighters, it made me think of these poor Muslim bastards charging us with sabres to save themselves from our desire to join the Brotherhood of Imperialists. But, OH NO, don't criticize the U.S. or you will be asked to leave this great country by those who will defend its virtue beyond reason! Pathetic.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (2218)	10/12/2000 7:46:42 AM
From: long-gone	Respond to of 10042

While I can't support rewriting history, how can your side side justify rewriting NEWS?: 'This is War' Says Israeli Minister By Julie Stahl CNS Jerusalem Bureau Chief October 12, 2000 Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Amid reports of a U.N.-brokered "breakthrough" to end the violent conflict raging in the Middle East, an Israeli cabinet minister said Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is heading for war with Israel and that the diplomatic process is dead. Meanwhile, the violence continues. On Thursday morning, two Israeli reserve soldiers were killed by a group of furious Palestinians in PA-controlled Ramallah, near Jerusalem. The men, along with two others, apparently made a wrong turn while looking for their base, and ended up in Ramallah. According to eyewitness accounts, they were then "kidnapped" and taken to a police station. A large group of protestors subsequently stormed the building, killed two of the Israelis, and set their bodies on fire. It's not immediately clear what happened to the other two, but one report said they were being held inside the police station. PA policemen reportedly were unable to control the crowd. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak told Israel radio it was a "very grave" incident. He said the details were being checked out and that Israel would know how to respond. In other clashes overnight and early Thursday, three Palestinians were killed and an Israeli soldier was seriously wounded in gun battles. The latest incidents come amid round-the-clock diplomatic efforts to try to save the peace process. Barak earlier gave Arafat an ultimatum to end the violence or consider the process dead. In possibly the most pessimistic assessment yet from a senior government minister, Deputy Prime Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said in a radio interview Thursday, "Arafat decided at some stage to choose the path of violence, the path of confrontation ...We are on a collision course. This is war. "War - that's what he wants," said Ben-Eliezer, who was a career army officer until 1984. "There is no diplomatic process today and the diplomatic process is dead." Ben-Eliezer echoed earlier warnings by Barak that Israelis should prepare for an increase in Palestinian terror attacks, following the release of scores of Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorist prisoners from PA prisons over the past two weeks. Barak told the Knesset foreign affairs and defense committee Wednesday that "the danger of terror activity is written on the wall," after the prisoner releases. Hamas political leader Ismael Abu Shanab did not contradict the Israeli leaders, saying in a newspaper interview: "We are in a state of war, and in a state of war all Israeli targets are legitimate." Meanwhile, the Israeli Foreign ministry could not confirm a "breakthrough" reported Thursday morning that Israeli and Palestinian security officials would meet CIA chief George Tenet to try to quell the violence. The announcement came from U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who said a meeting between security officials from the three sides could take place as soon as Thursday. Tenet, who arrived in Israel on Thursday, has good relations with the PA security forces. cnsnews.com\ForeignBureaus\archive\200010\For20001012a.html

To: Dayuhan who wrote (2218)	10/12/2000 9:31:01 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10042

Well Steve, we know that history is written by the victors... And history is not just a single snapshot in time, but single page in a lengthy chapter, of an unfinished book... And while the US conquered the Philipines, it wasn't like the islands were an independent nation, since they were a Spanish colony, facing the same problems with their Moro Muslim population seeking independence and establishment of a Muslim state. garmentsasia.com Look at the above glimpse of Philipine history, and one can clearly see that the US occupation of the Philipines was not the sole period of time in which war and death reigned... As for Russia, most Americans and Brits were hoping that both the Germans and Russians would grind themselves to pieces against one another. The Soviets had plans to invade eastward in 1942, btw. The non-aggression pact of 1939 was only a brief respite for Stalin as he built us his army to take on Hitler. But Hitler beat him to the punch by a year and both nations spent their nation's youth on one of the most brutal campaigns the world has seen. On the Russian front, surrender was rarely recognized, and millions were executed by all sides, or starved to death in prison camps. It was truly a fight to the death for them. Regards, Ron