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To: JDN who wrote (113289)	10/12/2000 1:16:48 PM
From: Daniel Schuh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

John, to be momentarily pedantic, when you burn hydrocarbons, you get mostly H20 and C02. The carbon has to go somewhere, you can't turn it into water without a nuclear reaction. Water is where the hydrogen goes. Emission controls can't do anything about CO2, what they control is emissions of incompletely burned hydrocarbons (which includes carbon monoxide, CO) and nitrogen oxides. Modern emission controls also help fuel efficiency a lot, since complete combustion is efficient combustion. CO2 isn't considered a component of atmospheric pollution, in terms of smog and stuff like that. As for the political cheap shot at the end, well, as you said, you're not a scientist, your knowledge of other areas might be a little incomplete also.

To: JDN who wrote (113289)	10/12/2000 2:07:59 PM
From: Bill Jackson	Respond to of 186894

JDN, Here is an assortment of sites on low emission vehicles and associated stuff. It looks like the short term solution will be hybrids with small diesels running at constant speed that power a generator that turns the wheels. They have a battery that acts as a peak power source for acceleration and to absorb the output of the regenerative braking system. They have some small prototype runs of this kind of vehicle right now on sale here and there. The Ca initiative will help a lot as these vehicles will bring down the fleet average, even though they are not true zero emission vehicles. The big barrier is the fact that oil will not go up much further as there are huge reserves of tar sands as well as oil shale(10 times as big as all arabian oil ever found) that will be brought into production if the price stays high. Right now tar sand oil costs $10 a barrel to extract, Arab oil costs 25 cents per barrel by comparison. Shale oil costs $25-40+ per barrel, depending on the particular deposit, so these will act as a lid on oil prices and as a drag on zero and low emission vehicles as there will be oil at a higher price, not no oil at all, so there will be buyers of higher power vehicles. Laws can change this. A large problem is the rail and truck fleet. They will be hard to convert to batteries etc as they are far higher in average power consumtion than cars. A hybrid truck with a small diesel and a battery will work....it all depends on the road they take, flat and level will be doable. long hauls through the Sierra Nevadas will be a different thing. Bill mhpower.com.au ulbi.com pinnaclevrb.com.au www-mpl.sri.com[projects]pyd5690.html ovonic.com energyonline.com www-mpl.sri.com[topics]batteries.html acpropulsion.com electrifyingtimes.com caddet-ee.org nedra.com evparts.com laketuggeranongs.act.edu.au solarsailor.com.au aeva.asn.au sunrace.netlink.com.au wsc.org.au unisa.edu.au primenet.com ev.hawaii.edu primenet.com sover.net primenet.com halcyon.com solectria.com pitzer.edu shore.net engr.iupui.edu www-lips.ece.utexas.edu halcyon.com solstice.crest.org radix.net electric-fuel.com hgea01.hgea.org www-mpl.sri.com[pubs]BIP-D93-1735.html inc.com ev.hawaii.edu geo.arizona.edu mcn.org zebramotors.com tinet.ch ozemail.com.au ev-sparrow.com azcentral.com